Derek Chauvin murder trial (Police officer who arrested George Floyd)
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I've read it all now...
And when there's 4 police and just one perp?
Ok then citation is needed for the comment on UK cops... The comment he was responding to:
So you are blind to the police there?
I proved that one can run while cuffed. You stated one couldn't.
Wrong again.
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https://www.npr.org/2021/01/25/9561...narmed-black-people-reveal-troubling-patterns
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...9717e2-a344-11e5-9c4e-be37f66848bb_story.html
Results vary, but 11-25%+ of fatal police shootings are the result of traffic stops...
That's a lot.
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Well the US figures were 17k deaths in a 3-4 year period from 2007 to 2010.
Today approximately 15 people die in police custody per year in the UK.
https://assets.publishing.service.g...dy_A_review_of_the_international_evidence.pdf
In the UK (England and Wales) the figure for that period 2007 - 2010 was c. 160 total deaths. Adjusting for population size (328m v 63m) the death rate in the US in that time period was approximately 20 times that in the UK at c. 10 people per day. To me that qualifies as "all the time".
So not ALL THE TIME as you stated.
I would look at the white people getting killed....hint...it's bigger...
I would say that a lot is down to the person running from police or shooting at police.
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So not ALL THE TIME as you stated.
I would look at the white people getting killed....hint...it's bigger...
I didn't even mention race when I was initially talking about routine traffic stops, why are you bringing that in to it?
Well we know why....
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At no point in the 30+ minute body cam recording was there any indication it was racially motivated, as I suspect in most cases it is just the easiest thing to point out with no real way of proving it was or wasn't, besides he said/she said. Which is completely useless in a court of law.
Look at his immediate reaction to the police knocking on the window. "please mr police man don't shoot me", would he have reacted differently if it were a black officer?
Look at his immediate reaction to the police knocking on the window. "please mr police man don't shoot me", would he have reacted differently if it were a black officer?
WHAT.
From a link YOU posted https://www.npr.org/2021/01/25/9561...narmed-black-people-reveal-troubling-patterns
"Fatal Police Shootings Of Unarmed Black People Reveal Troubling Patterns"
You're making yourself look silly.
"Well we know why."
Come on out with it.
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I was finding citacians to support my claim, exactly what you asked for.
The second link even mentions that more white people are killed by police.
So that is one source focusing on police fatal shootings of black people, and a second source about all races.
The second link even mentions that more white people are killed by police.
So that is one source focusing on police fatal shootings of black people, and a second source about all races.
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Black people commit a disproportionately large amount of violent crime, hence they are have a high rate of death by cop. That said, you're still more likely to be killed as a white person, especially when armed.
Personally, I expect Chauvin will got off at trial. The move he used was part of his training, there is no evidence of his intent to kill etc. Whether he should be guilty of a lesser charge I have no strong view on.
Personally, I expect Chauvin will got off at trial. The move he used was part of his training, there is no evidence of his intent to kill etc. Whether he should be guilty of a lesser charge I have no strong view on.
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He didn't murder him, but he certainly contributed to his death and didn't attempt to save his life either.
I'd say in the UK that would be manslaughter but I know laws vary by state.
I'd say in the UK that would be manslaughter but I know laws vary by state.
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The degree to which he might have contributed to his death matters though. I've not been following the trial closely, but I assume the defence hasn't begun yet. I suspect they'll claim he ingested a fatal quantity of narcotics.
As for not saving his life, people fake breathing issues all the time to escape, so that was probably a factor in Chauvin not letting up when he should have.
Im inclined to agree, it was in no way murder but it was highly negligent not to check if Floyd was ok after he passed out as IMO he had a duty of care for him.
To be charged with manslaughter would be the maximum he should be charged for IMO but that would be pretty harsh in reality as he wasnt directly responsible for his death
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When your slogan is: "To Protect with Courage, To Serve with Compassion"
I'd say he fundamentally failed in his job description.
I agree but that doesnt automatically make it manslaughter, gross negligence for sure. To be honest I though the cops were more than patient with him as he was being a right pain in the ****
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