Derek Chauvin murder trial (Police officer who arrested George Floyd)

Status
Not open for further replies.
StriderX said:
The BBC is a British government propaganda outfit, of course anything to weaken the US would be in it's agenda.
Click to expand...
I can't see any way that any rational person can believe the two bizarre allegations that you make here :rolleyes:

The British Broadcasting Corporation is NOT a "government propaganda outfit".
There is no evidence that the British Government wishes to "weaken" the USA.

None of this irrational paranoia has anything at all to do with the trial of an American Police Officer accused of causing the death of a detainee.
 
StriderX said:
The BBC is a British government propaganda outfit, of course anything to weaken the US would be in it's agenda.
Click to expand...

Honestly that statement flabbergasts me. The BBC is often beaten up by the government but it is not a propaganda outfit at all. On the contrary, the BBC is known to be somewhat left wing in a time when we have a right wing government. And even if it was, why would the government want to "weaken" it's greatest ally? I mean the UK always bends over backwards to keep the USA happy....especially good old Boris. No, sorry, that statement just leaks like a sieve.
 
The UK's strength in Mr. Global Britain comes from playing multiple sides... ANYWAY, on a more serious note, the BBC siding with the Democratic narrative whilst all three partitions of the US government is under their control is likely the more sensible explanation.
 
Anyone watching the testimony today? I've been watching the defence cross examine the prosecutions expert witness, he's pretty good...
 
Yep been watching it since the start, can't say my view has changed, I still think Chauvin will walk free, there's so much reasonable doubt in the case.

To me, it seems like this has been entirely about one thing, Chauvin was a white officer caught up in a perfect storm of many different things that resulted in loss of life, through no fault of his own.

I know people will probably dismiss this entirely but Crowder did a 10 minute segment today where he had 2 people mimic the actions of the officers, including someone with their knee on his neck for 9 and a half minutes. The results of which where, it's extremely uncomfortible, but it wouldn't have been even close to killing him.
 
Screeeech said:
Anyone watching the testimony today? I've been watching the defence cross examine the prosecutions expert witness, he's pretty good...
Click to expand...

Have missed it today - was there a particular prosecution witness worth watching/reading about? I might try and find some clips.
 
MadMossy said:
Yep been watching it since the start, can't say my view has changed, I still think Chauvin will walk free, there's so much reasonable doubt in the case.

To me, it seems like this has been entirely about one thing, Chauvin was a white officer caught up in a perfect storm of many different things that resulted in loss of life, through no fault of his own.

I know people will probably dismiss this entirely but Crowder did a 10 minute segment today where he had 2 people mimic the actions of the officers, including someone with their knee on his neck for 9 and a half minutes. The results of which where, it's extremely uncomfortible, but it wouldn't have been even close to killing him.
Click to expand...

You should lay off the fentanyl. :cry:
 
chroniclard said:
You should lay off the fentanyl. :cry:
Click to expand...

Show me undisputable proof that DC was the sole reason for his death and I'll admit being wrong and accept that.

Current witness was responsible for forensic work at the time, looks like GF had pills/drugs/stuff in his mouth which he spat out in the squad car when he had his hissy fit. So it possible that the drugs he ingested were responsible for his condition? Certainly seems so considering the toxicology results from his autopsy.
 
dowie said:
Have missed it today - was there a particular prosecution witness worth watching/reading about? I might try and find some clips.
Click to expand...

He cross examined SGT Jody Stiger, a prosecution expert witness from the LAPD... There were a few interesting contradictions, where it was testified that the knee on the neck wasn't consistent with being used to reasonably restrain somebody, yet nearly all of what Chauvin did, appears to be directly out of the manual, and the witness ended up agreeing with many points the defence raised, regarding it's usage, in terms of the knee/neck restraint.. I'm quite tired now and can't remember all of it.

I might be misrepresenting what was being said, as I can't remember it word for word, but it feels like a number of witnesses have appeared, testified that the knee on the neck is essentially "outrageous" then have had to backtrack under cross examination, when it appears in all of the training manuals, is used quite extensively and not generally a problem, when done properly..
 
Screeeech said:
He cross examined SGT Jody Stiger, a prosecution expert witness from the LAPD... There were a few interesting contradictions, where it was testified that the knee on the neck wasn't consistent with being used to reasonably restrain somebody, yet nearly all of what Chauvin did, appears to be directly out of the manual, and the witness ended up agreeing with many points the defence raised, regarding it's usage, in terms of the knee/neck restraint.. I'm quite tired now and can't remember all of it.

I might be misrepresenting what was being said, as I can't remember it word for word, but it feels like a number of witnesses have appeared, testified that the knee on the neck is essentially "outrageous" then have had to backtrack under cross examination, when it appears in all of the training manuals, is used quite extensively and not generally a problem, when done properly..
Click to expand...

Knee on neck had been used 237 times since 2019 according to data from the Minneapolis PD, with a small percentage (16%) of those resulting in loss of consciousness.
 
Screeeech said:
He cross examined SGT Jody Stiger, a prosecution expert witness from the LAPD... [...]
Click to expand...

thanks - just seen a short clip with the defence questioning him - noting that Floyd seems to be saying (mumbling) that he "ate too many drugs" - the prosecution witness doesn't hear it. Also that they opted not to use a hobble restraint (a belt-type device that ties up the hands and feet) and in doing so deescalated.


I might go through (some of) this (though it seems to be 3 hours! )

 
dowie said:
thanks - just seen a short clip with the defence questioning him - noting that Floyd seems to be saying (mumbling) that he "ate too many drugs" - the prosecution witness doesn't hear it. [..]
Click to expand...

I wouldn't call that mumbling. Maybe the perceived clarity of the speech depends on what accents the person listening to it is used to hearing, but to me the only thing that sounds unusual about it is the length of the 'u' in 'drugs'.
 
Angilion said:
I wouldn't call that mumbling. Maybe the perceived clarity of the speech depends on what accents the person listening to it is used to hearing, but to me the only thing that sounds unusual about it is the length of the 'u' in 'drugs'.
Click to expand...

Interestingly just got to the bit in the longer clip where there is some news reporters/journalists and some other commentator commenting on it - none of them seem to acknowledge that it was said, instead they're just questioning whether the defence could actually even admit it on the record unchallenged/questioning why the prosecution didn't object.

Starts about 1:37

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ddPW2HRjcs

then at 1:38:24 reporter's only comment is that clearly a lot of their views would say you couldn't make out what he was saying... none of them seem to acknowledge what it sounds like

Have just replayed the short clip here setting the speed to 0.5 on youtube and it certainly does sound like "I ate too many drugs" (also tried it set at 0.75 and it is pretty clear then too)


I wonder if the defence should slow down the clip and play it again with another (possibly defence?) witness.
 
Last edited:
dowie said:
Have missed it today - was there a particular prosecution witness worth watching/reading about? I might try and find some clips.
Click to expand...

The prosecution got pretty mauled across the board today. The defense is just putting bits of reasonable doubt everywhere.
 
dowie said:
[..]
Have just replayed the short clip here setting the speed to 0.5 on youtube and it certainly does sound like "I ate too many drugs" (also tried it set at 0.75 and it is pretty clear then too)
[..]
I wonder if the defence should slow down the clip and play it again with another (possibly defence?) witness.
Click to expand...

That might be it. I seem to be more comfortable with faster speech than many people. I often see comments on some of the Youtube channels I watch complaining about the person speaking too fast. One channel in particular (Dark Docs) routinely has hundreds of comments about how the narrator is speaking ludicrously quickly and they can't understand what he's saying at all. There's the hyperbole that's to be expected in Youtube comments, but there are a lot of comments about his speech being incomprehensibly fast. It's fine for me. Faster than usual for English, but nowhere near fast enough to be unclear. It's much faster than George Floyd's speech in that clip. I've just listened to that clip at a variety of speeds and I can still clearly hear "Ah hah I ate too many drugs" up to and including 1.5x. Above that it was too fast for me to be sure. But at the speed he said it, it's perfectly clear to me.
 
Watched more testimony from the Forensic Scientist Breahana Giles earlier, regarding the pills which were found and analysed.

Analysis of the pills which were found, showed they contained Methamphetamine and Fentanyl, but were disguised as regular pills via fake markings.

Did some reading about "speedballing" with meth and fentanyl this morning, it sounds lethal as hell. One of the problems is that the effects of each drug (meth being a stimulant and fentanyl being an opiod) is that they both undo the negative effects of each other, but the effects wear off at different times. The problem is when the Meth wears off (which makes you hyper/alert/etc) - if enough fentanyl is present, one of the main side effects is that it can slow, or even stop breathing - if taken in enough quantities.

https://www.uofmhealth.org/health-library/d00233n1

Like other opioid medications, fentanyl can slow or stop your breathing. If your breathing gets too weak, death may occur.
Click to expand...

Bearing in mind, George Floyd was a; already high as a kite when police arrived, then b; swallowed more pills as the police tried to arrest him, is pretty troubling stuff.

I think it's probably extremely likely that the root cause of death here, is drug related - it might have been exasberated by the police restraint, but honestly - with large quantities of drugs like that, I wouldn't be suprised if it's what did most of the damage.

Will be interesting to see what else comes into court, regarding medical evidence, toxicology and such.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom