Derek Chauvin murder trial (Police officer who arrested George Floyd)

[The Running Man]

You don't think a Latino officer might be racist? Of an Asian American officer? I'm not saying this killing was racist, I'm not sure I've seen anything to suggest it was, from what I saw I think Chauvin would do that to a person regardless of the colour of their skin.

A killing like the one I would defiantly say was due to his race from everything we've learned so far. No he wasn't killed by the police, although Gregory McMichael was a retired officer and still worked with the District Attorneys office but the handling of the case by the police and District Attorneys office(s) stank. Only when a video was leaked to a radio station did they finally act because their hand was forced. So its no surprise that people in the US have issues with the police/justice system when it comes to race. I think we're lucky in the UK and it isn't a big issue here, sadly it still is there.

Do i believe that here we have 4 officers of 3 different races including two from minority groups who were racist?

Given that we have been told by multiple groups that minority groups cannot be racist be defacto position that they are minorities, then no.


Also re Ahmaud Arbery, I would then argue that the killing of Keeley Streete was also suspiciously close to being a racial attack.

Also the grooming if girls by Asian gangs, note the % of white victims. Very strange.

 

[The Running Man]

When Mr Arbery was in high school, he received five years of probation for a first-time weapons charge and in 2018, was convicted of probation violation for shop lifting according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution newspaper .

It emerged that in 2017, Glynn County officer attempted to tase him after he denied their request to search his car at a park.

Police bodycam footage showed the encounter with officers, who said he was in a car in an area known for drug use. He said he was on his day off from work. The taser malfunctioned and he was allowed to leave on foot.

A police report obtained by the Guardian shows the officers wrote that they later found a bag in his car which they believed to contain cannabis.

On 10 May another video emerged, showing a man believed to Mr Arbery at a home construction site shortly before the shooting.

In the footage from a surveillance camera, a black man in a white T-shirt walks onto the site and is seen looking around for a few minutes before leaving and jogging down the street.

He seems like he was just a niceboy out for a jog.

 

[StriderX]

Oh no not the worst crime imaginable... having cannabis D:

Better murder him.

 

[kindai]

Too many armchair experts letting their own racism and facist tendencies blind them to the obvious truth as substantiated by the experts.

As claimed by experts called by the prosecution.

We havent even had the experts called by the defense yet.

Oh and the medical examiners homicide statement does not necessarily mean murder, it is simply used to record a death be believes at the hands of another person, it is not a statement of culpability.

 

[stockhausen]

. . .
Also the grooming if girls by Asian gangs, note the % of white victims. Very strange.

That has got absolutely nothing to do with this thread but it does seem par for the course for you to slip in a bit of casual, unrelated racism

 

[deuse]

No he was not. You just make **** up and then have the cheek to claim you are the oracle of truth. What a joke. He was seen on the property and by a security camera, he didn't take anything from the property.

He did the time before.(police call records prove that)

As the property wasn't secured or fenced off anyone could walk around it and others were seen walking around it. I've walked around a part finished property before when they weren't fenced off as they are today, just because I was curious about the build and being nosy.

In the US, everyone who is anyone knows the trespass laws. He was trespassing which one can be jailed\fined for or shot at(depends on state)

Even if he was "robbing" though he took nothing, that doesn't mean he deserved to die. Then you have multiple District Attorneys offices do nothing until the video leaked and then both the offices and police try and blame each other for the lack of arrests when there was probable cause at the scene. It stinks.

Make up your mind!
Again that's trespass and breaking the law.

If I was there and he was an active threat towards me.
I could legally shoot him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ttm_UOojaLU&ab_channel=CBSThisMorning

Looks like your podcast people are wrong AGAIN.

Back on topic.

 

[deuse]

Except if you have followed the trial using unbiased sources you would realize the opinions of the actual experts suggest it is murder:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-race-georgefloyd-idUSKBN2BW26K





Too many armchair experts letting their own racism and facist tendencies blind them to the obvious truth as substantiated by the experts.

And the defense, also asked him if medical homicide is the same as legal homicide and he said no.

For clarification when a medical examiner classifies a death as homicide, they are not making a legal judgement, its just one of the 5 classifications they are permitted to use when coming to a cause of death conclusion.

Those 5 are.

disease
homicide
suicide
accident
execution

and if none of those apply its undetermined.

You should have read the thread DP

 

[Deleted User 234324]

I sort of get the impression that people see what happens in the US and then apply what would happen here to that scenario.

Hint, its a different country with vastly different laws. What may apply here, doesn't necessarily apply elsewhere.

 

[StriderX]

I sort of get the impression that people see what happens in the US and then apply what would happen here to that scenario.

Hint, its a different country with vastly different laws. What may apply here, doesn't necessarily apply elsewhere.

Doesn't matter much, their culture is overpowering ours and we aren't resisting it.

Literally all of our social media is American.

 

[deuse]

Doesn't matter much, their culture is overpowering ours and we aren't resisting it.

Literally all of our social media is American.

Bloody yanks everywhere.
Next they will be living here!

 

[200sols]

Except if you have followed the trial using unbiased sources you would realize the opinions of the actual experts suggest it is murder:

Others have already explained why this doesn't mean what you think it does.

Too many armchair experts letting their own racism and facist tendencies blind them to the obvious truth as substantiated by the experts.

Yeah, like yourself. The defence have peppered so many holes in the prosecution claims the only way we see a murder conviction now is if the jury doesn't have the courage to speak the truth. Rentamob is outside waiting to kick off actively egged on by people like yourself. Also nice try but calling people you disagree with a racist or fascist just shows how little substance your argument holds.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

He did the time before.(police call records prove that)

So there is proof he previously stole from that site? Lets see it then.

In the US, everyone who is anyone knows the trespass laws. He was trespassing which one can be jailed\fined for or shot at(depends on state)

No one is arguing that he wasn't trespassing. That doesn't mean he can be murdered though. He didn't steal anything. Others wandered around the property as well.

Make up your mind!
Again that's trespass and breaking the law.

If I was there and he was an active threat towards me.
I could legally shoot him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ttm_UOojaLU&ab_channel=CBSThisMorning

Looks like your podcast people are wrong AGAIN.

Back on topic.

haha that youtube link says dozens of people were caught on camera wandering around the property, it shows others wandering around the property, even on the day of the murder. And it doesn't even show him looking at any power tools or looking to steal anything. The idea that you can gun someone down because they walked around an open property is a joke. Clearly the grand jury agrees with me as they indicted all 3 suspects. And lets not forget Travis McMichael said "******* n-word" after he was dead.

Looks like you've grabbed hold of a narrative that has backfired on you. You defend 3 men who murdered an unarmed kid though, 1 of which was clearly a racist. I see you decided to ignore the fact the police and District Attorneys offices then lied and tried to blame it all on each other. No nothing wrong with any of this is there.

Looks like YOU'RE wrong again.

 

[deuse]

So there is proof he previously stole from that site? Lets see it then..

I did.

Nothing back fired on me.
I stick to facts.

 

[dowie]

Except if you have followed the trial using unbiased sources you would realize the opinions of the actual experts suggest it is murder:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-race-georgefloyd-idUSKBN2BW26K


Too many armchair experts letting their own racism and facist tendencies blind them to the obvious truth as substantiated by the experts.

If you'd paid attention to the cross-examination of that very expert yesterday you'd understand that "homicide" referred to there is a medical opinion/conclusion as he clarified himself under cross-examination, it isn't a legal opinion and it certainly does not in itself suggest murder, that is a massive misunderstanding on your part.

But I guess yet again we see another uninformed person jumping into the thread to drop in some ad hominems.

It is rather silly to pop into a thread and just throw silly attacks like that at others when you don't understand the basics yourself.

Oh and the medical examiners homicide statement does not necessarily mean murder, it is simply used to record a death be believes at the hands of another person, it is not a statement of culpability.

I'm glad someone else understands this. It would be great to see other (intelligent or informed) views but so far I've just seen rather naive posts by people who seek to jump in and vent a little.

 

[dowie]

Ahmaud Arbery

If you and @deuse want to chat about some other cases or racism and policing in the US in general can you please do it in another thread.

 

[rubberduck]

Will the defence call some police witnesses who basically say chauvin's approach was fine and complied with his training? I know the prosecution police guy basically did this anyway but I wonder if they have anyone else lined up?

 

[Deleted User 234324]

It will be interesting to see what line the defense take, wether they will focus on putting more doubt in the prosecutions case or go along the lines of discrediting them to the point they are basically ignored.

 

[kindai]

I'm glad someone else understands this. It would be great to see other (intelligent or informed) views but so far I've just seen rather naive posts by people who seek to jump in and vent a little.

Im not even watching directly, just have it on in the background and I pick up these points.

 

[Minusorange]

Will the defence call some police witnesses who basically say chauvin's approach was fine and complied with his training? I know the prosecution police guy basically did this anyway but I wonder if they have anyone else lined up?

On one the news channels I was watching it, they were saying the defence might actually call the prosecutions witnesses as witnesses for their own due to their answers during questioning

 

[weringo]

The chief medical examiner's testimony yesterday was interesting.

I did however think the defence missed a fairly obvious question in relation to his classification of the death which could have created some reasonable doubt. Presumably undertaking an autopsy is not an exact science and where there are contributing factors there always a chance that those contributing factors are in fact the sole cause of the death. He explained that if he is not sure the "undetermined" catagory is used and gave the example of a drug overdose which could be either accidental or suicide where it can be impossible to know one way or another. I would have asked that where there is more than one possible cause for the death what threshold likelihood of one does he apply for selecting one catagory over "undertermined". I have no idea what he would say whether that is 51%, 75%, 90%, 99% or what but it would have been interesting to find out. Maybe there's a legal reason such a question isn't permitted.