Look, in all honesty, if one touch, single word over the phone hypnosis actually existed on this side of Manchurian Candidate cover, don't you think by now Derren Brown would be one touching and phone whispering third world military junta leaders and cave dwelling terrorists using MI6 clearances, swiss bank accounts and 007 Aston Martin garage, instead of doing card tricks at Brighton Pier Theaters for living?
Derren Brown: Apocolypse
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Look, in all honesty, if one touch, single word over the phone hypnosis actually existed on this side of Manchurian Candidate cover, don't you think by now Derren Brown would be one touching and phone whispering third world military junta leaders and cave dwelling terrorists using MI6 clearances, swiss bank accounts and 007 Aston Martin garage, instead of doing card tricks at Brighton Pier Theaters for living?
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Just watched this. Quite obviously not an actor.
Oh, the irony... Almost too much.
What do mean why would he lie to the nation, don't make it sound so dramatic lol. He's an actor being paid to act, full stop. That is what actors normally do. In his contract he could quite easily have been sworn to secrecy. There is nothing bizarre or unusual about that. Maybe his family were also in on it, maybe they wern't, who cares? No one is claiming to know every single detail but using common sense and logic, some of us have come to the conclusion that it was fake because of the number of scenarios that could have played out which Derren Brown/C4 simply couldn't risk. Oh and the poor acting was just another huge giveaway.
why because the acting is bad? its supposed to be bad so its believable by naive idiots who turn there brain off and grab pop chicken from the microwave
It would be lying to the nation if what you're saying is true, there's no two ways about it. And the internet has been going crazy with people trying to find evidence of him being an actor, all that's been turned up is an incomplete profile. If he's an actor, why can't anyone find any evidence of him acting before? A TV advert or programme or something?
He's appeared in youtube videos since it was broadcast with Derren stating that he is not an actor and was not acting or playing a stooge. That's not just keeping a secret, that's actively lying to the nation (if that's what you believe). Would that be in his contract?
Well when you start asking questions like that, it becomes pretty obvious that faking it wouldn't be practical.
Those scenarios were very unlikely to play out though, it was extremely tightly controlled.
That's because real people aren't actors.
No idea, I dont work in TV.
Just the same as you never get his film crew selling how he does it to the tabloids either I expect.
You provide a service, we pay X amount on the condition that you do no disclose what went on during filming or you are liable to repay X amount in full yadda yadda yadda.
So now the crew are all contractually obliged to keep quiet too? This is turning into a pretty big conspiracy. Presumably he's been doing this for years, as this isn't the first thing he's done like this. So, I think Zbornak needs quoting again:
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What about leaks made anonymously? There are other ways of the secrets getting out beyond being paid by The Sun.
He wasn't a famous actor nor a particularly good one, just a member of the public who has probably done some small time acting on the side which many people do. You need to take a step back and look at your argument seriously. There are too many IFS and BUTS which suggests it is far more likely that Derren Brown/C4 would NOT take such a risk, not the other way round? :s
The real risk to Derren Brown and Channel 4 would be being exposed as fraudulent. That's the risk they wouldn't take, and therefore they wouldn't stand by something saying it was real when it wasn't. Well, OK, Derren might but Channel 4 wouldn't.
I know it seems lazy but Zbornak put it better than I could:
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Dude I'm contractually obliged to not talk pricing with other food service compaines or thier representatives while I am employed by this company and 6 months after I leave their service.
Its not a conspiricy, its just the way the world works.
People covering up Jimmy Saville sticking his fingers in 9 year olds is a conspiricy, signing an NDA isnt.
Its all covered by his "misdirection blah blah blah showmanship" spiel anyway. Though as I said I don't think he issued this get out clause at the start of this program, for whatever reason. My view is he now thinks it is taken as read.
You say it like it would be the first time Derren Brown or Channel 4 were exposed as "fraudulent". Fraudulent in quotes because at the end of the day we are discussing illusionist performing trick on a TV entertainment show, the whole "it's real" is a part of the act by default. You don't scream "conspiracy to defraud" at such things just the way you don't scream "oh my god - fraudster!" when "magician" from yellow pages pulls bunch of plastic flowers out of his hat at your kids birthday party.
This still going on?!
Omg.
It's clearly bull poop.
There was no way they could tell what that bloke was gonna do until he was there, no matter what tests they did.
If he had gone nuts and killed all the infected, and smashed everything In sight it would have gone horrible wrong. This was never going to happen as he was a (poor) actor.
It's quite obvious a contract was made between him and derren to keep it quiet hence the vids after it.
Perhaps the whole Crew didn't know he was acting, and they were told that they are playing a prank on him. But it's obvious it's fake, he's way to calm, uninterested and really doesn't seem bothered or phased at any point.
To whoever stated that if he fell on the floor and cracked his head on the floor, and couldn't do anything due to a contract he had made with C4? Why would he have a contract with a company that he doesn't know are playing a trick on him?
He only goes and hugs his mom when he sees them who stated at the start of the prgramme "i wish he loved me" Conveniently there's a camera there staring at him when he wakes up in his own house, doesn't even ask a question and walks downstairs.
Upon meeting derren brown after having this "dream" he casually walks uptown him and hugs him like an old friend.
Every person I have ever seen have a trick played on them has some kind of reaction, either omg you so and so or laugh, or something !!
But as he reacts to derren he does to everything in the whole programme. Calm and not bothered because he knows what's happening.
Some people seem to think everything they see and hear is real.
I think some of you guys read too many newspapers!!
Omg.
It's clearly bull poop.
There was no way they could tell what that bloke was gonna do until he was there, no matter what tests they did.
If he had gone nuts and killed all the infected, and smashed everything In sight it would have gone horrible wrong. This was never going to happen as he was a (poor) actor.
It's quite obvious a contract was made between him and derren to keep it quiet hence the vids after it.
Perhaps the whole Crew didn't know he was acting, and they were told that they are playing a prank on him. But it's obvious it's fake, he's way to calm, uninterested and really doesn't seem bothered or phased at any point.
To whoever stated that if he fell on the floor and cracked his head on the floor, and couldn't do anything due to a contract he had made with C4? Why would he have a contract with a company that he doesn't know are playing a trick on him?
He only goes and hugs his mom when he sees them who stated at the start of the prgramme "i wish he loved me" Conveniently there's a camera there staring at him when he wakes up in his own house, doesn't even ask a question and walks downstairs.
Upon meeting derren brown after having this "dream" he casually walks uptown him and hugs him like an old friend.
Every person I have ever seen have a trick played on them has some kind of reaction, either omg you so and so or laugh, or something !!
But as he reacts to derren he does to everything in the whole programme. Calm and not bothered because he knows what's happening.
Some people seem to think everything they see and hear is real.
I think some of you guys read too many newspapers!!
This was never going to happen because he was surrounded by actors who at any time could stop him if he looked like he was going to go mental and kill people. All they'd have to do is say "Stop! This is all for a TV show" and they could prevent him from going on a murderous spree. They'd hardly just sit back and watch, would they?
EXACTLY.
Then all that money time and effort would have gone to waste, it was set up with Steve knowing.
I'm in the camp that the illusion was conning the public into believing it was real rather than the guy himself, like all of his other shows you get those who believe what they've witnessed and those who don't... trying to convince people that something that is faked is actually real is what an illusionist does.
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It wouldn't be the first time Derren Brown got caught out for lying.
Remember the Russian roulette show? I thought that was his best, but he got royally done over after the police revealed all
Remember the Russian roulette show? I thought that was his best, but he got royally done over after the police revealed all