Did CERN just break physics?

Docaroo said:
If you read it you will surely be able to see how sending information faster than light speed can make that information break causality (it can arrive before it is sent). It depends on the frame of reference in spacetime.
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But sending information faster than light only implies a break in causality *within the framework of the special theory of relativity*, which is derived from the assumption that the speed of light is the limiting speed in nature and the same for all observers.

I agree with what you are basically saying though, there is a definite conflict between those three points you listed, or else a different explanation.
 
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Robosapien said:
But sending information faster than light only implies a break in causality *within the framework of the special theory of relativity*, which is derived from the assumption that the speed of light is the limiting speed in nature and the same for all observers.

I agree with what you are basically saying though, there is a definite contradiction between those three points you listed, or else a different explanation.
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Yeah, so your preference is that Point 3 (Special Relativity) is broken!

I think I would disagree on that, simply because all the evidence (mountains of it) points to Special Relativity being right ...

If it wasn't, we wouldn't have a GPS system!
 
Docaroo said:
Yeah, so your preference is that Point 3 (Special Relativity) is broken!

I think I would disagree on that, simply because all the evidence (mountains of it) points to Special Relativity being right ...

If it wasn't, we wouldn't have a GPS system!
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Not my preference, i'm just pointing out that it's dumb to derive such a result from a theory using initial conditions that the theory not only forbids, but assumes to be impossible as part of it's very foundations.

As you said there's stacks of evidence proving the theory a robust description of reality,...until now. (albeit the continued struggle to develop a quantum theory of mavity which has always suggested incompleteness/limitations).

Anyway, what I really want from this thread are updates!! I'm impatient on this but guess we'll just have to wait and see what Fermilab comes up with.
 
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Sterile neutrinos eh? So all of the detected neutrinos going faster than light have spent some part of their journey as this type of neutrino, and taken a short cut through space? But then oscillated back to a standard type in order to be detected?

Surely some of these neutrinos will get 'lost' when taking this short cut, perhaps that could be detected?
 
Judgeneo said:
Sterile neutrinos eh? So all of the detected neutrinos going faster than light have spent some part of their journey as this type of neutrino, and taken a short cut through space? But then oscillated back to a standard type in order to be detected?

Surely some of these neutrinos will get 'lost' when taking this short cut, perhaps that could be detected?
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Well the thing is .... because the Sterile neutrinos do leave the brane they ARE impossible to detect! So they can only be detected once they oscillate back to a "normal" neutrino...

Basically, if this experiment can be repeated and confirmed, it probably sways us MUCH closer to this actuality!
 
Well the microphone he's using is actually okay when he's talking, it's just that when he stops you seem to get all this static. The webcam is abysmal though :p
 
I had to lol today when a girl in my lab class said to her friend: 'Yea you know they actually broke physics the other day, like it doesn't work anymore'.

I had to laugh very hard :)

Seems like we got excited over nothing :(
 
Are there any reliable estimates of when anywhere else will be ready to replicate the initiial experiments? I read that a few places were in the process of upgrading and setting up for it, but no details as to when they were planning on being ready.
 
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