Did computer hacking destroy ONdigital?

NDS doesn't specialise in hacking. They create a satellite encryption system, they have plenty of competitors and OnDigital's / Canal's encryption system was one of them.

Any company that deals in this sort of technology will have highly technical people running it. People that are for all intents and purposes "hackers" anyway.

It's not unreasonable to suggest that NDS cracks its rivals systems. It's entirely normal for competitors to test each others products to destruction. It's just another form of R&D.

What is more important is whether they used the cracked code as a way to bring down a competitor.
 
Pants said:
The "proof" was the presenter taking the fat hacker blokes word as fact and calling anyone at NDS liars.

It may well be true, but the presenter stating it all as fact doesn't make it so. Was very poorly put together.
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I have no doubt that this is another case of the BBC's legal department making a dreadful mistake and that they will be hearing from Messers Sue, Grabbit & Runne first thing on Tuesday morning . . . . . or not.


Don't News Corp own 20th Century Fox? I guess that they will have no problem with people pirating The Simpsons, Family Guy, etc., etc., etc.

I think that they also own a music business but that nobody is ever likely to want to pirate their rubbish.
 
Dolph said:
The evidence is pretty clear and public domain, hacking was a problem, but this was more due to the refusal to patch/upgrade (after all, Sky's encryption has been cracked several times over the years, and they simply updated it to close the cracked path, as well as relying on the phone line connection to provide a feedback loop of activity). ...
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And at this point it becomes obvious that you haven't watched the programme ...
 
Yep, the program makes it clear that NDS supplied a constant feed of new codes which was then broadcast by the NDS controlled hacking site.
 
anyon said:
Yep, the program makes it clear that NDS supplied a constant feed of new codes which was then broadcast by the NDS controlled hacking site.
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No, it didn't. at best it alleged this behaviour was happening. No meaningful evidence was offered.
 
Pants said:
The "proof" was the presenter taking the fat hacker blokes word as fact and calling anyone at NDS liars.

It may well be true, but the presenter stating it all as fact doesn't make it so. Was very poorly put together.
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Not just the fat hacker, what about the German hacker who claimed once he cracked Canal+'s cards for NDS in Israel, with the help of some very expensive equipment I might add, the details were published on a Canadian hacking website within hours.

Once again we saw an example of News Corps generosity towards former employees, with the "fat hacker" being paid for doing nothing until 2008 when he received £15k severance.

Panorama couldn't provide a smoking gun, but nevertheless it all stinks to high heaven.
 
scorza said:
Just so we're clear Dolph, you think it's legitimate for NDS, a Murdoch controlled company to reverse engineer competitor's products then leak the results to a TV pirating site, which it runs? That's what Panorama alleged FYI.
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I do not believe that NDS were the first to do it, even if they did. The encryption was widely and easily crackable with automated tools before then.
 
philip2009 said:
And at this point it becomes obvious that you haven't watched the programme ...
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You seem surprised :confused:

Lolph NEVER allows evidence to get in the way of his unwavering support of any tax-dodging entrepreneur and Tory backer; look at his refusal to admit that News International were involved in any shady activities and his insistence that Cameron made a shrewd appointment when he accepted Coulson as his Propaganda Supremo.

Lolph already knew the answer within the first minute of the program beginning ;)


Hatter The Mad said:
I do not believe that NDS were the first to do it, even if they did. ...
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Is your "belief" based on anything in particular? Have you conducted many interviews with any of the players as Panorama did? Perhaps NDS has released details of earlier successful hacking attempts have they?

Hatter The Mad said:
... The encryption was widely and easily crackable with automated tools before then.
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Was it . . . really . . . easily? :rolleyes:


As I posted last night, I have no doubt that News Corp & NDS will have had their lawyers on the case for a while now and we will soon hear an unequivocal, sincere apology from the BBC ;)
 
stockhausen said:
Is your "belief" based on anything in particular? Have you conducted many interviews with any of the players as Panorama did? Perhaps NDS has released details of earlier successful hacking attempts have they?
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I don't believe NDS was first do it because, as I said, the encryption was identified as weak well before the supposed crack and leak:

Was it . . . really . . . easily? :rolleyes:
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Yes. Any scriptkiddie could download a tool to automatically crack the key, much like you can for WEP nowadays.
 
At the end of pamora they said that the french company canal were taking legal action against nds for leaking the code.
They then said it was news corps lawyers who were used in the defense and that murdoch bought up some of canals assets and sold them off so there was no point in the legal action continuing... seemed a bit weird!
 
Judging by tweets today, it seems that my forecast war between the BBC and the Dirty Digger's lawyers is about to kick off:

Seems every competitor and enemy piling on with lies and libels. So bad, easy to hit back hard, which preparing.
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Enemies many different agendas, but worst old toffs and right wingers who still want last century's status quo with their monoplies.
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Although in view of the Sunday Times sting on Tory party corruption, it may be that the reference to "old toffs and right wingers" is a reference to Tory-boy Dave and his chums :confused:


You do have to laugh at Murdoch's tongue-in-cheek reference to monopolies :D
 
Gypo said:
Read this fellow Stoke peeps http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2001/oct/16/itvdigital.itv

Used to knock about with these guys on IRC #Warezstoke back in RL a little bit for a few years, the shop was in Tunstall.

Used to love those chipped cards too :(
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I knew 2 of them in real life and they used to be into all sorts of stuff before On Digital.
Anything that could be chipped got chipped including Philips D12 phones.
I first met them at the AtariST/Amiga Club that was held at the YMCA near Hanley Park in the late 80s and even then they were the guys to go to.
The 18 year old girl who got arrested is my rhythm guitarists daughter who was a totally innocent shop assistant at the High Lane shop and was let off.

One of them was also the guy who was in charge of the blanket guys outside of Bowlers Computer Fair and he always had two body guards with him.

'Blanket guys':
Anybody who went to Bowlers would see blankets laid on the ground with 1000s of pirated cd's for all sorts of stuff and when the authoriteeeez approached they would just blanket them up and run.
 
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