Digital Identity

thenewoc said:
Is it quantifiable? Surely any official figures are going to relate to those caught.
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As opposed to some random number pulled out of someones head?

IIRC there were something like 10 cases in the last general election, which means it's a great idea to spend billions fighting it.

It reminds me of the panic in the US where the republicans think there are millions of cases, when in reality out of the cases found in the last election IIRC most of the deliberate ones were Republican voters, and most of the rest were honest mistakes, including people who'd been told by Republican run registration offices/services set up to fight voter fraud that they were eligible to vote (oddly at least one Republican governor made a huge PR stunt out of these people who'd thought to check and been told it was ok by the state, being arrested).

Voter fraud in the UK is almost non existent, it's not even high enough that if you had all the known and seriously suspected (not Express or Mail headlines) in one constituency it would make a significant difference.
 
englishpremier said:
I support it. Doesn't make sense carrying around little pieces of plastic/paper for various things.

In Spain they already have the DGT app for carrying the essential documents for your car. Passport and ID card data is already stored digitally anyhow. Might as well just go the whole hog.

The problem with doing it in the UK is for some reason they spend 500x more than what something should cost. Have millions of consultations then either scrap the project, or go in half-hearted.
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That's pretty much my reason for supporting it. I haven't been ID'd in years, but I'm still conscious of taking my DL out with me in the event someone's deciding to be a dick head that day. I never use my wallet, but it's annoying having to take it out as a just in case. If it was on your phone then you'd never need to carry one.
 
(do need to present an id at voting stations for next general election ... so those w/o living/dead passport, or driving license need to order the new thing)

digital id something more practical/solid than anything kier Starmer&co have come up with, but maybe he's exclusively waiting on ideas from Tony, or Gordon.
 
Werewolf said:
As opposed to some random number pulled out of someones head?

IIRC there were something like 10 cases in the last general election, which means it's a great idea to spend billions fighting it.

It reminds me of the panic in the US where the republicans think there are millions of cases, when in reality out of the cases found in the last election IIRC most of the deliberate ones were Republican voters, and most of the rest were honest mistakes, including people who'd been told by Republican run registration offices/services set up to fight voter fraud that they were eligible to vote (oddly at least one Republican governor made a huge PR stunt out of these people who'd thought to check and been told it was ok by the state, being arrested).

Voter fraud in the UK is almost non existent, it's not even high enough that if you had all the known and seriously suspected (not Express or Mail headlines) in one constituency it would make a significant difference.
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The point is, it's unquantifiable and knowing how many have been caught is not relevant to the likely much larger unknown figure!
 
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[FnG]magnolia said:
It's okay to say you don't know and your baseless claim was made up on the spot. I mean, it's not but at least own your ignorance.
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So come on hot shot, what's the figure of actual fraud and how was the figure derived? Aside from the fact I was already clearly asking a question from the presence of the question mark!
 
Semple said:
That's pretty much my reason for supporting it. I haven't been ID'd in years, but I'm still conscious of taking my DL out with me in the event someone's deciding to be a dick head that day. I never use my wallet, but it's annoying having to take it out as a just in case. If it was on your phone then you'd never need to carry one.
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IIRC the people low enough down the chain to be asking for for ID can lose months of pay if it's an official test with underage volunteers.

Huge incentive to ID anyone.
 
Hotwired said:
IIRC the people low enough down the chain to be asking for for ID can lose months of pay if it's an official test with underage volunteers.

Huge incentive to ID anyone.
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Yeah I can understand that if you look under 25. And those that do the sting operation test definitely look young.
 
Talking about voter fraud and relying on technology too much reminded me of something we should be aware of - cosmic particles.

Bear with me - consider this: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ange-elections-planes-autopilot-a7584616.html

The 'bit flip' in the story above caused a candidate in an election to gain an extra 4,096 votes and even a plane to drop altitude when the bit-flip knocked it out of autopilot. What if such an event was to affect the validity of your digital ID and your associated digital record? It could change anything from your age to time spent in jail, maybe even changing your gender without assumption :).

The odds of something like this are small but not as small as you may think or like. There are mitigations to prevent, detect and correct such errors of course but I'll go back to the point of my previous post - if this is a government run project then hold on to your paper copies of everything.
 
Except I use none of those as part of my digital identity. Facebook, WhatsApp, Amazon, OCUK etc. None of them require that as part of my terms of service. They can almost certainly be linked back with enough effort I suppose, but the Government isn't doing it yet, openly anyway.

Introduce a digital identity and before long it will become the legal requirement for using any digital service. If the insurance companies don't forece on service providers first anyway. Then Everything you do online is explicitly linked back to a single ID, then we can really begin the social engineering.
 
Everyone needs to remember we already have manual ways to say who we say we are over many cards.

The difference is centralisation of all records with an app just like what we have now NHS, Tax, Universal Credit e.t.c.
I don't know why people would be against it.

PlacidCasual said:
Introduce a digital identity and before long it will become the legal requirement for using any digital service. If the insurance companies don't forece on service providers first anyway. Then Everything you do online is explicitly linked back to a single ID, then we can really begin the social engineering.
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It's a good thing IMO. Age restrictions specifically along with tying people back to crimes, making people take responsibility what they post online. e.t.c

It's going to happen weather people like it or not. Only a matter of time.
 
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Mysterae_ said:
Talking about voter fraud and relying on technology too much reminded me of something we should be aware of - cosmic particles.

Bear with me - consider this: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ange-elections-planes-autopilot-a7584616.html

The 'bit flip' in the story above caused a candidate in an election to gain an extra 4,096 votes and even a plane to drop altitude when the bit-flip knocked it out of autopilot. What if such an event was to affect the validity of your digital ID and your associated digital record? It could change anything from your age to time spent in jail, maybe even changing your gender without assumption :).

The odds of something like this are small but not as small as you may think or like. There are mitigations to prevent, detect and correct such errors of course but I'll go back to the point of my previous post - if this is a government run project then hold on to your paper copies of everything.
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This is not new, and is well understood and managed with current technology.
 
GaryTheSnail said:
Everyone needs to remember we already have manual ways to say who we say we are over many cards.

The difference is centralisation of all records with an app just like what we have now NHS, Tax, Universal Credit e.t.c.
I don't know why people would be against it.
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Yeah, the UK population does seem a weird in this regard. In Spain for example, you can't do anything without an DNI/NIE (a bit like a national insurance number). Can't open bank account, can't take out insurance, it's asked when ordering things online, can't even receive some deliveries. The Spanish are very private, yet no-one is worried about the government snooping on things people are doing.
 
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