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Thats what the Employment and Support Allowance - Work Related Activities Group is for. Jesus christ.So there are people with insignificant disabilities that are incapable of working?
Thats what the Employment and Support Allowance - Work Related Activities Group is for. Jesus christ.So there are people with insignificant disabilities that are incapable of working?
Jesus, sounds horrendous. Not to trivialise your point, but that decision must have cost the taxpayer a lot of money. Begs the question of how many wrong decisions are being made.
The vast majority of claims are rejected ALL the way through the appeals process to tribunal (court), this includes people providing all evidence and with genuine illness. Apparently around 80% of tribunals are successful and result in claims being accepted in the end with backpay etc.
We are talking about people that are incapable of any work, training or education - that is the extreme end, no?
There's a big difference between incapable of work, and incapable of maintaining employment though.
If your condition means you're going to be off sick fairly often at short or zero notice you just won't be able to hold down a job even if you're good most of the time.
The vast majority of claims are rejected ALL the way through the appeals process to tribunal (court), this includes people providing all evidence and with genuine illness. Apparently around 80% of tribunals are successful and result in claims being accepted in the end with backpay etc.
Yeah what I heard is that the move from DLA to PIP was meant to be a cost cutting exercise. It backfired on the DWP because some of the new claims were mental health related and the DWP wasn't expecting that. Plus, the point made here about taxpayers' money being spent on claims reaching the tribunal stage. What I heard is that 70% of tribunals are successful for the plaintiff, but whether it is 70% or 80%, means it is a huge error margin on the DWP's / Capita's part.
Does this sound like another big story recently?Yeah, it seems their process is.
DENY DENY DENY, for as long as possible to reduce the amount of claims that push through the appeals process, whether this be due to people getting better, getting worse and dying (happens) or they just give up. Many do give up because due to their illness they just can't cope.
Its a chokehold and seems setup this way at the detriment of the vulnerable. When you see over at least 70% being accepted at tribunal this proves that. They don't want to put the funds into the initial assessment process where it matters. That would mean a lot more people would be accepted initially rather than years down the line in their application appeals process and those people who normally give up.
But the fact we have so many people sick in this country is also far more indicative to the mess our NHS is in, lack of proper care and treatment etc. Again as others have said, a lot of these people would be treated and functionally able to go back to work if they were being treated/diagnosed in a reasonable time frame, but we know this isn't happening.
BUT REMEMBER GUYS ITS SUPER EASY TO GET PIP/LCWRA WITH A BAD BACK.
What?So just keep appealing (get the guidance about how to milk it as much as possible; don't go to the meeting if it requires climbing stairs even if you can actually climb stairs as you want to milk it to the max) then get all the way to a tribunal where they'll err on the side of caution and believe you can't possibly do any work along with 2.5 million or so other people in the UK.
And if anyone questions how it is that 2.5million+ people aren't capable of doing any work at all just cite the tribunals and the experts saying so, it all seems really plausible that so many are so sick.
What?
I think they're trying to be sarcasticYeah, read the post twice and still don’t get it.
Yeah, it seems their process is.
DENY DENY DENY, for as long as possible to reduce the amount of claims that push through the appeals process, whether this be due to people getting better, getting worse and dying (happens) or they just give up. Many do give up because due to their illness they just can't cope.
Its a chokehold and seems setup this way at the detriment of the vulnerable. When you see over at least 70% being accepted at tribunal this proves that. They don't want to put the funds into the initial assessment process where it matters. That would mean a lot more people would be accepted initially rather than years down the line in their application appeals process and those people who normally give up.
But the fact we have so many people sick in this country is also far more indicative to the mess our NHS is in, lack of proper care and treatment etc. Again as others have said, a lot of these people would be treated and functionally able to go back to work if they were being treated/diagnosed in a reasonable time frame, but we know this isn't happening.
BUT REMEMBER GUYS ITS SUPER EASY TO GET PIP/LCWRA WITH A BAD BACK.
Certainly won't be all honey and roses but it can't be worse than this **** show. Been overseas a lot so was out of the loop and have voted tory many times but never again. We have to remove these chancers and at least try to get our country to approach first world status again, it is pitiful that people from around the world come here for a better life and then have to watch us queue at food banks. But yeah lets stick with the status quo.Cant you all just labour and live in paradise.... Its not long now. Few more months until everything is perfect.
YupAs someone who developed a chronic illness some years ago that has robbed me of my ability to work (and believe me I had a very sound career) leave my house and essentially live any kind of sensible life it always amazes me when perfectly healthy people assume they will never get sick and never imagine that life maybe doesn’t always work out how you planned. Can some of those on benefits work? No doubt about it.
Are plenty of them genuinely sick? Absolutely.
You know, what I would give to feel well just for one day a week. The things I could do.
My wife's dad can hardly walk, his knees are so bad, the doctors and hospital say he is too young for knees replacement (62) hasn't worked since he was made redundant 4 years ago, reason is a mix of doesn't drive, age seems to be against him in many jobs he applies for, his knees stop him from being on his feet, and he's not tech savvy so struggles with a computer and wouldn't be any good at a desk job, he's been a manual labour type guy all his life.
His partner earns minimum wage, and just about makes ends meet after paying rent etc.
Tried applying for pip and any other form of benefits to help and gets knocked back, apparently partner earns too much money to be eligible. They go to the food bank regularly.
Me and the wife get shopping and give them money to help regularly, but they dislike our help as they feel ashamed, so it's hard for us to help, they'd rather freeze than accept our help out of pride.
I don't think it's easy to get benefits, but that doesn't mean there aren't people out their who know how to work the system, and I think those types are getting less and less as time goes on.
Ooh another story from a guy I used to work with ( well he worked at another branch but we got on well), got polio when he was very young but managed for the majority of his life, it then started to get exponentially worse when he hit his 40's and spent years on crutches, but still worked. When he hit his mid 50's he ended up wheel chair bound, and eventually had to give up his job due to being unable to get to work (no way of working from home way back then in the job role at the time). DWP summoned him to see them for an appointment, gets to the address and there is a flight of steps outside the building, he calls them and says I'm outside but can't get up the steps is there a disabled access, told the disabled access is round the back but it's out of bounds having work done. He says how can I make the appointment you'd better come outside, apparently the lady got shorty with him and said if you don't make the appointment you lose your benefits, to which he replied if I'm disabled in a wheel chair how do you expect me to climb a flight of steps... Silence while the penny dropped, lady ended up going outside didn't bother with the assesment and just signed documents and handed over what needed handing over.
Oh god that reminds me of the old joke (I think i've mentioned it before) for various disability assessments.My wife's dad can hardly walk, his knees are so bad, the doctors and hospital say he is too young for knees replacement (62) hasn't worked since he was made redundant 4 years ago, reason is a mix of doesn't drive, age seems to be against him in many jobs he applies for, his knees stop him from being on his feet, and he's not tech savvy so struggles with a computer and wouldn't be any good at a desk job, he's been a manual labour type guy all his life.
His partner earns minimum wage, and just about makes ends meet after paying rent etc.
Tried applying for pip and any other form of benefits to help and gets knocked back, apparently partner earns too much money to be eligible. They go to the food bank regularly.
Me and the wife get shopping and give them money to help regularly, but they dislike our help as they feel ashamed, so it's hard for us to help, they'd rather freeze than accept our help out of pride.
I don't think it's easy to get benefits, but that doesn't mean there aren't people out their who know how to work the system, and I think those types are getting less and less as time goes on.
Ooh another story from a guy I used to work with ( well he worked at another branch but we got on well), got polio when he was very young but managed for the majority of his life, it then started to get exponentially worse when he hit his 40's and spent years on crutches, but still worked. When he hit his mid 50's he ended up wheel chair bound, and eventually had to give up his job due to being unable to get to work (no way of working from home way back then in the job role at the time). DWP summoned him to see them for an appointment, gets to the address and there is a flight of steps outside the building, he calls them and says I'm outside but can't get up the steps is there a disabled access, told the disabled access is round the back but it's out of bounds having work done. He says how can I make the appointment you'd better come outside, apparently the lady got shorty with him and said if you don't make the appointment you lose your benefits, to which he replied if I'm disabled in a wheel chair how do you expect me to climb a flight of steps... Silence while the penny dropped, lady ended up going outside didn't bother with the assesment and just signed documents and handed over what needed handing over.
Tried applying for pip and any other form of benefits to help and gets knocked back, apparently partner earns too much money to be eligible. They go to the food bank regularly.
Me and the wife get shopping and give them money to help regularly, but they dislike our help as they feel ashamed, so it's hard for us to help, they'd rather freeze than accept our help out of pride.
I don't think it's easy to get benefits, but that doesn't mean there aren't people out their who know how to work the system, and I think those types are getting less and less as time goes on.
YES do this, Please call the cab they will help you greatly with this and provide someone to help you navigate the process if the person themselves can't manage.PIP isn't means-tested (I work), so I would say - give it another go, or appeal the existing claim if it's recent. It's advisable to get help as well from a relevant charity. For me, it was the RNIB and they helped with both my vision loss and hearing loss. My caseworker told me what medical tests / documents to get, which can be acquired using a "subject access request" from the relevant hospitals. Then I would explain in detail using the medical tests how they affect me in real life, indoors and outdoors, reading, socialising, communications, moving around and so on.
What happens if someone lives some where where there are more people than there are jobs?