Disabled couple snooped on and accused of fraud by the DWP

Ali195 said:
Ah Capita. How I remember them from the 2000’s. They have this incredible power to slowly destroy a firm by taking every possible action but the one that will improve customer outcome and provide them with an income. It can NEVER be both.

I’d never heard of or seen 12 week rotas, annualised hours or split shift (come in, work 4 hours, go home, come back again remaining 4 hours) until they came about. All the serious people quickly jumped ship leaving the dregs. Absolutely dire firm.
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I've said it before, I worked for them for a few months and had to resign, what they do is shocking IME.

All those things you mention are not bad in themselves, but need to be used correctly and not as blanket approaches to problems.

And then the modelling of potential benefits are so aggressive that they have to make unrealistic savings to justify the huge profit margins, stripping the services to the bones and then a little bit more.
 
Resident said:
I'm disabled according to the law, diagnosed with myalgic encephalomyelitis.

I get there are some people who's disability precludes them from working but there are also a lot of people who get their disability diagnosis and then use it to sit on their backsides despite being capable of work. In those cases, yes those people should be assessed on what they can do and find a suitable job with benefits to top-up their earnings rather than the taxpayer footing the bill entirely.

There used to be a scheme called Remploy in the UK (now only operates in Scotland) that was dedicated to getting disabled people back into work but ceased a few years ago.
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It's already been shown the estimates for benefit fraud and it clearly demonstrates that your "belief" that there are "lots of people who get their diagnosis then sit on their backsides" is false.

Reads like a person with zero disabilities and a chip on their shoulder about "scroungers on benefits".
 
Devilman said:
It's already been shown the estimates for benefit fraud and it clearly demonstrates that your "belief" that there are "lots of people who get their diagnosis then sit on their backsides" is false.

Reads like a person with zero disabilities and a chip on their shoulder about "scroungers on benefits".
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So are you saying that the claiming process should be easier? Because what would that do to fraud..
 
n111ck said:
Everyone should either be in education, training or work - shouldn't they? Living off benefits should be a last resort.
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No, no they shouldn't.

There is a multitude of reasons why a person may be unable to work.

Your simplistic view that "everyone should be in education, training or work" is so blinkered, narrow minded and dismissive of people with disabilities it's frankly sickening.
 
Devilman said:
No, no they shouldn't.

There is a multitude of reasons why a person may be unable to work.

Your simplistic view that "everyone should be in education, training or work" is so blinkered, narrow minded and dismissive of people with disabilities it's frankly sickening.
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As I said it should be a last resort not a lifestyle choice.
 
Devilman said:
It's already been shown the estimates for benefit fraud and it clearly demonstrates that your "belief" that there are "lots of people who get their diagnosis then sit on their backsides" is false.

Reads like a person with zero disabilities and a chip on their shoulder about "scroungers on benefits".
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Or someone who's own father did exactly that when doctors diagnosed him with spinal arthritis in his late 30s.

There were jobs that he could have done but decided nope, I'm disabled I'm doing nothing.
 
n111ck said:
I'm not a doctor s couldnt comment but as i said benefits should be a last resort - if someone is genuinely unable to work then thats what benefits exist for.
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So what black-and-white test have you devised to say whether someone is fit for work or not?

Such a system sounds even more costly to the taxpayer, as it would require extensive testing to weed out the minority who are 'faking' and to determine what tasks they can actually perform for hours on end.
 
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Ayahuasca said:
So what black-and-white test have you devised to say whether someone is fit for work or not?

Such a system sounds even more costly to the taxpayer, as it would require extensive testing to weed out the minority who are 'faking' and to determine what tasks they can actually perform for hours on end.
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What part of ‘I’m not a doctor’ did you struggle with lol?

If someone genuinely can’t work that should be fairly obvious and easy to test?

Maybe it would cost more but if in the long term it reduced claims it would be better for everyone..
 
Ali195 said:
Ah Capita. How I remember them from the 2000’s. They have this incredible power to slowly destroy a firm by taking every possible action but the one that will improve customer outcome and provide them with an income. It can NEVER be both.

I’d never heard of or seen 12 week rotas, annualised hours or split shift (come in, work 4 hours, go home, come back again remaining 4 hours) until they came about. All the serious people quickly jumped ship leaving the dregs. Absolutely dire firm.
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They’ve been called Crapita for decades for good reason
 
n111ck said:
What part of ‘I’m not a doctor’ did you struggle with lol?

If someone genuinely can’t work that should be fairly obvious and easy to test?

Maybe it would cost more but if in the long term it reduced claims it would be better for everyone..
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If it was fairly obvious and easy to test, then surely we wouldn't be in this mess? You may not be a doctor, but you seem pretty confident about the things we can test to make it such a breeze.
 
As someone who is disabled and solely reliant on benefits stuff like this is a huge concern to me. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to be on benefits but when I can barely walk through my home on crutches, get constant cellulitis, swelling and pain and also can't wear trousers without risking yet another DVT I'm pretty much ******! The fact that this income can be stopped or reduced on a whim is bloody terrifying.

I honestly believe assessments for people like me need to be put back in the hands of GP's and other specialists.
 
Ayahuasca said:
If it was fairly obvious and easy to test, then surely we wouldn't be in this mess? You may not be a doctor, but you seem pretty confident about the things we can test to make it such a breeze.
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We are in this mess because seemingly anyone can get benefits…
 
n111ck said:
We are in this mess because seemingly anyone can get benefits…
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Well, apparently they can't, because cases of benefit fraud aren't the DWP's biggest problem.

It seems more likely that you've bought into the Daily Mail spiel about every man and his dog claiming benefits for bad backs etc.

In future, it might be best to start out from a position of honesty if you want a debate instead of making **** up. I'm still interested to hear what these fairly obvious and simple tests are that you've devised to categorically say whether someone is really able to work or not.
 
n111ck said:
What part of ‘I’m not a doctor’ did you struggle with lol?

If someone genuinely can’t work that should be fairly obvious and easy to test?

Maybe it would cost more but if in the long term it reduced claims it would be better for everyone..
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Many people can’t work due to pain. There is no obvious test for pain, that’s why doctors ask you to rate your pain on a scale of 1-10. If someone says they’re in pain, you can’t just call them liars.
 
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