Soldato
I can’t see how he’s punching down with this post
That's how I read it. "Lazy scumbags get everything" in particular.
Disabled couple snooped on and accused of fraud by the DWP
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That's how I read it. "Lazy scumbags get everything" in particular.
Soldato
Yeah I assume it depends what they are on. She will (should be) getting PIP as well, which is none means tested. The DWP must think they have over 6k in savings. Whole thing is ridiculous and incredibly nasty, just think of the stress and anxiety that woman has been put under by those scumbags.
Caporegime
The language was harsh but that doesn’t take away from the fact that there is undoubtedly benefit fraud in this country, and an element of society who would rather live off the state than work, despite being physically fit to work
Caporegime
It's not just about being physically fit, there are a lot of hidden disabilities, for example autism, where if you're high-functioning enough to not be a complete mute and aren't flapping your hands about, you're considered fit to work. In fact, the employment rate for people with autism is shocking because many of them just don't fit into a neurotypical workforce.
Being diagnosed with the above as an adult takes ages on the NHS, and even then it's not a given that you'll get disability benefits. Yes, there are the genius types with autism who can brute force it and heavily mask it, but for most it's not like that.
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Soldato
There is, and it's about 4% of claimed money, so not "everything" more like "less than 5p in the pound".
Soldato
Labour: Young people will be expected to take up work and training
Liz Kendall says there's "no option of a life on benefits" for young people if Labour wins the election.
www.bbc.co.uk
You really think the grass is going to be greener?
Caporegime
Labour: Young people will be expected to take up work and training
Liz Kendall says there's "no option of a life on benefits" for young people if Labour wins the election.www.bbc.co.uk
You really think the grass is going to be greener?
That's not really about disability? It's mentioned once towards the end, but it's in the context of giving disabled people who want to work better access to employment.
Soldato
8.3bn. Yes, almost nothing. Or, just another ~166,000 more nurses.
Soldato
Not directly. But it's an indication that anyone who thinks Labour getting in means that a liberal revolution is about to occur need to think again.
Benefit fraud costs around £2 billion a year. By comparison, tax fraud costs £16 billion a year.
Soldato
All I went on is this. https://www.gov.uk/government/stati...-system-financial-year-2022-to-2023-estimates
I'd have thought the vast majority of fraud doesn't get recorded, only 'ineffective' fraud does. So the true figure could be anything.
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That’s still £2B, and it would be more if fraud were not fought.
What have the Conservatives got to do with this? The DSS, DWP, et al have been cocking things up for decades regardless of government. The DWP cocked up my benefits in Brown’s era but I didn’t blame Labour. (Ironically it was because of a job application for a Civil Service job to work at Downing Street!)
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6.3 million people claim disability benefits in the UK, so nearly 1 in 10 people. It is crazy and in no way sustainable.
This along with people that don't work, or low-paid workers claiming money for kids they cannot afford is the reason working and middle-class people are paying so much tax.
This along with people that don't work, or low-paid workers claiming money for kids they cannot afford is the reason working and middle-class people are paying so much tax.
Holy ****, I had no idea it was that many!
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The problem is the amount of people with "bad backs" or "mental health problems" but are really just to lazy to work.
Soldato
If people are disabled and can't work then they are disabled and can't work. Taking benefits off them doesn't mean they will be getting that high skilled high paid job, it means they will be down the food bank trying to not starve.
People should stop looking down at the poorest in society, and maybe look up at what the scum at the top are doing.
People should stop looking down at the poorest in society, and maybe look up at what the scum at the top are doing.
Caporegime
It's estimated that around 15-20% of the population is neurodiverse, so when you consider the more severe cases of this, alongside physical disabilities and mental health issues, it doesn't seem so crazy.
The levels of benefit fraud are always massively exaggerated when these issues come up, it's a small part of the overall problem of how we look after the most vulnerable in society in this country and where it seems to be heading.
It makes perfect sense to go after the poorest but totally forget about billions of OUR taxpayer money spent on bounce back loans that were conveniently lost/forgotten about and all task forces disbanded to go after the companies that took them.
How are people not out on the streets rioting?
How are people not out on the streets rioting?
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Then the UK needs to collect more taxes, firms needs to pay proper wages instead of leaving it to Gov subsidies via various benefits to make up for the shortfall. And when I say taxes, I mean across the board, especially these multi billion dollar firms paying out dividends when they don’t pay staff properly.
And the big one - we need proper good quality growth that isn’t driven by poor quality investment, I guess the most obvious one is HS2 going from £2.30 to £0.80 for every pound spent it brought back. The Gov needs to actually invest so we can grow and can continue to pay for everything, which evidently we’re struggling to on a sustainable level.