Discussion On The ATI Radeon 5*** Series Before They Have Been Released Thread

[Final8y]

[Update] We’ve got confirmation from AMD that the Evergreen cards are being shown this weekend, at the QuakeCon video game convention in Dallas, Texas.

The word is finally out. AMD will launch it’s much anticipated next generation graphics processors code name “Evergreen” on September 10th; ahead of Windows 7’s launch in late October..

For AMD, these 40-nm, Microsoft DX11-compliant GPUs will fundamentally change the graphics industry and give it a clear advantage over Nvidia, again!

The prior generation of ATI cards was such high performance and so cheap that they forced Nvidia to hastily put together competitive video cards.

Sadly, AMD’s Santa Clara, Calif., rival hasn’t shown much of its DX-11 chips yet. However, Nvidia might choose to show off its wares at its own GPU Technology conference at the end of September in San Jose.

The GPU market is finally kicking some tires, just in time for the holiday season!

http://techpulse360.com/2009/08/12/...en-graphics-chips-you-wont-believe-your-eyes/

Related:

On board an old World War II aircraft carrier, Advanced Micro Devices executives introduced new graphics chips meant to give consumers a killer entertainment experience and deliver a big blow to rivals Nvidia and Intel.

The chip maker introduced a new generation of ATI graphics chips that will be part of desktops this fall and laptops early next year. Among the new features: one PC can power six different monitors at the same time, as illustrated in the ooVoo video conference pictured above.

The chip will drive the latest computers, but it should also give AMD a leg up on its rivals, who’ve fallen behind on their production schedules, said Jon Peddie, an analyst at Jon Peddie Research.

“At the end of the day today,” Rick Bergman, senior vice president of Sunnyvale-based AMD, said, “AMD will be the undisputed graphics leader in the world.”

The chip has 2 billion transistors on it. To put that in perspective, Nvidia’s monster graphics chip from 2008 had 1.4 billion transistors, and the original Intel microprocessor had 2,300 transistors. The advance of chip design and manufacturing — including a 40-nanometer manufacturing process — have made it possible to make such chips.

The chip can do more than 2.5 trillion calculations — 2.5 teraFLOPS — every second. That compares to 1 trillion calculations per second for AMD’s chip from a year ago. That chip is as powerful as the world’s most powerful supercomputer in the year 2000. It’s about 250 times more powerful than the IBM supercomputer Deep Blue, which beat the best chess champion in the world years ago.

amd-2Bergman said the ATI Eyefinity multi-display technology can power six displays with a single graphics card, using DisplayPort technology. That’s a big achievement because graphics cards have to put so much data on a single display that they have a hard time handling multiple displays.

With it, gamers can set up monitors side by side to get an immersive view of their video screens as they play the latest PC games. Business people can video-conference with different people and track different things as if they were in a control room. With four graphics cards in one PC, AMD can operate 24 monitors at the same time.

It can create images with 268 megapixels, where a megapixel yields a pretty decent image on a digital camera. Game players will be able to get 12 times the full high-definition resolution. With so much screen real estate, you don’t even have to scroll around to see different documents, Bergman said.

Jules Urbach, chief executive of special effects firm Lightstage and Otoy, showed a demo of AMD’s animated mascot character, Ruby, as she is rendered to look like a real human with the latest technology. Urbach said his team is creating special effects scenes for movies that extremely realistic, yet can be created with a single AMD chip. Crytek also showed how the graphics chip can render an immersive, hyperrealistic jungle in a video game.

Acer, Dell, HP, MSI and Toshiba are creating computers using AMD’s latest graphics chips. In response, Nvidia said in a statement, “The gaming world has moved to dynamic realism, which depicts actual physical movement more realistically than ever before. For example, the No. 1 PC game coming out next week is ‘Batman: Arkham Assyum,’ which takes advantage of graphics plus physics to give it extraordinary realism. Because we support GPU-accelerated physics, our $129 card that’s shipping today is faster than their new RV870 (code name for new AMD chips) that sells for $399.”

http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/eyefinity/Pages/eyefinity.aspx

Mobility Radeon

More info on the mobiles graphics.


High end - code named Broadway

Broadway-XT Mobility Radeon HD 5870
Broadway-PRO Mobility Radeon HD 5850
Broadway-LP Mobility Radeon HD 5830

Only 5870 and 5850 can support GDDR5 memory, 5830 can only support DDR3 and GDDR3 memory, but the whole series CrossFireX technology support. So that means Crossfire graphics cards in your laptop! Only this series though.


Performance - code named Madison

Madison-XT Mobility Radeon HD 5770
Madison-PRO Mobility Radeon HD 5750
Madison-LP Mobility Radeon HD 5730

Only 5770 and 5750 can support GDDR5 memory, 5730 only support DDR3 and GDDR3 memory.


Mainstream - code named Madison (aswell)

Madison-LE Mobility Radeon HD 5650


Entry level - code named Park

Park-XT Mobility Radeon HD 5470
Park-PRO Mobility Radeon HD 5450
Park-LP Mobility Radeon HD 5430

These 3 have 65-bit memory interface and support GDDR3/DDR3/DDR2 memory.

Some vids.

Cry-Engine 3 for PC (First Time: Ati Eyefinity)

Watch from 1.34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04dMyeMKHp4

http://www.wsgfmedia.com/generaladmission/videos/Eyefinity-Dirt2TripleGiantProjectors.mp4
http://www.wsgfmedia.com/generaladmission/videos/Eyefinity-GoogleEarth.mp4
http://www.wsgfmedia.com/generaladmission/videos/Eyefinity-GridSimCage.mp4
http://www.wsgfmedia.com/generaladmission/videos/Eyefinity-L4Dprojector.mp4
http://www.wsgfmedia.com/generaladmission/videos/Eyefinity-StalkerCallOfPripyat.mp4
http://www.wsgfmedia.com/generaladmission/videos/Eyefinity-XPlaneDisplay.mp4
S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Call of Pripyat - New Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx3MUc1lTYM&feature=channel

DX11 games on the way.

AMD confirms DirectX 11 games: Battleforge, Stalker: Call of Pripyat, Dirt 2 and Alien vs. Predator
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,...of-Pripyat-Dirt-2-and-Alien-vs-Predator/News/

CryTek's CryEngine 3.0 set to debut next month DX11 support.
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/9/11/cryteks-cryengine-30-set-to-debut-next-month.aspx

Some pics.

http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16780

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar...g_Units#Radeon_Evergreen_.28HD_5xxx.29_series

 

[Final8y]

Why we should get excited about DirectX 11

http://blogs.amd.com/play/2009/06/02/why-we-should-get-excited-about-directx-11/

 

[Final8y]

On a side note, is there a quicker way of getting into the member markets, without havnig 250 posts?.

Cheers

Can i watch.

 

[Final8y]

RV870 is the biggest change since R600

Obama chip

ATI’s CTO (Chief Technology Officer) for graphics, Eric Demers has confirmed that the chip that they call Evergreen, DX11 is the biggest conceptual chance since the time ATI has introduced rather unsuccessful R600. R600 is the last core change in ATI's GPU design.


The RV770 can be seen as R600 done right, with lower power consumption, smaller transistors and a brand new GDDR5 memory controller, but it was not built from the ground up. At the same time, RV870 should be a huge leap forward in ATI’s chip design compared to R600, RV770, Eric confirms.

This is why ATI has high hopes for its Evergreen DirectX 11, something that we keep calling RV870 and naturally from outside, the card will look like advanced version of RV770 with DirectX 11 support. As U.S. President USA Obama is all about change, we've decided to link the RV870 and the presidential "change" promises. We expect a lot from both.

As we still don’t know many details about the final spec of the chip, we might be surprised about internal architecture. All in all, if it performs well, we should be happy about it.

Fudge

 

[Final8y]

Its the same old fantasy of graphics. The games are 2 years behind the technology, dont expect to play more than one Dx11 (in part) game in the time it takes to get out the second generation of DX11 cards.

The only reasons for buying one of these cards is in the hope that they are a lot quieter so that you can game at midnight when the wife/girle is trying to sleep or when you want playable frame rates for DX10 games (HL is still DX9 and looks good enough) when buying a 24"+ monitor and you want to max out the fps with the AA/AF on.

Its just the same old story but every new generation of gamers falls for it. A lot of hype from the marketing division of AMD wets the appetite and gets people drooling when some non playable DX11 demo comes out.

For all those who have been into PC gaming since 1990 (ah the original wolfenstein and outrun which was 1989) know that as soon as these accelerators and DX was invented (Dx3 I think it was) know that the games have taken longer and longer to produce until nowadays there is a masssive disconnect between the games and the DX version on your OS.

Most people know the reality & its mainly for the performance boost with the DX being a bonus that if any latest DX games do come out that the user will be able to play it with everything in tacked.
The refresh does not matter & once again anyone thinking about going from the same gen to the refresh of that gen would be for performance again if the difference was big enough.
So you see DX is the least of the reason even if all that's seems to be talked about is the DX & that because the improved performance of the next gen are taken as a given.

If reviews so that next gen cards only offers new DX without improved performance then very few people would bother moving to them. Why pay more just for a new DX version.

The GTX8800 was king because of its performance boost & not because of DX10.

 

[Final8y]

http://hardocp.com/article/2009/08/18/amd_radeon_hd_4770_crossfire_evaluation/4

OK I agree. You gaming high order types need more sheer grunt for some games. Crysis Warhead in this case.

There are many games beside Crysis that need more grant.

Anything that does not give a minimum frame rate of 60fps at the users preferred res needs more grunt. beside some RTS or games where 60fps is overkill for the type.

 

[Final8y]

I don't mind them re-branding, tech that works, but when say a 8800GTX can still beat a 9800GTX thats annoying

were as AMD may well rebrand, HD4890 is pretty much a HD4870 but this time they love to be clocked hard, that makes a huge differnece, the Nvida onces what actually do they give extra ? whats the differences between a 8800, 9800 and GTS250 ? sept for slightly higher clocks

4870-4890 is not a re brand, its a faster SKU of the same 4XXX family.. It just didn't come out at the same time as the 4850 4870.

Changing a previous card to a new family is a rebrand = talking a 4XXX card & then calling the same card 5XXX

 

[Final8y]

To be fair, the 4890 is a refresh of RV770. ATi and nVidia have always made refresh cards with slightly different GPUs.

The 4890 is not the same GPU as the 4870, they're slightly different with the 4890's GPU being slightly larger.

I do think ATi have flooded the market a bit too much though. They've got too many cards out under the 4 series brand I think.

In my opinion, they should just have 3 tiers. Low performance medium, high end and then the dual GPU cards of the high end.

Such as

4450 and 4470

4650 and 4670

4850 and 4870

Then if they make a refresh of GPUs, make an XX90 variant like they have with the 4890.

The worst factor is when price and performance crossover between lines such as the 4770 being almost the same performance wise as a 4850.

Maybe they should kill certain cards off and just replace them with the refresh.

I also think 3 tiers is enough, less confusion, less SKU's, less on packaging, less bios & possible driver issues that effect each SKU.

 

[Final8y]

Need to find another 2 Samsung SyncMaster 305T - 30

 

[Final8y]

Easy Now!

 

[Final8y]

Something like this would be realistic for me.
http://www.coolslice.com/uploaded_images/CIMG1274-741027.JPG
http://www.coolslice.com/uploaded_images/CIMG1276-726563.JPG

Just need to find 2 SyncMasters that match my 305T in portrait

 

[Final8y]

LOL^ so true.

 

[Final8y]

ATI Plans to Release Dual-Chip DirectX 11 Graphics Board Late in 2009.

ATI’s Hemlock Due Late in Q4 2009
ATI, graphics business unit of Advanced Micro Devices, plans to release its new flagship dual-chip graphics board sometime in Q4 2009, according to sources with knowledge of the matter. The new board is code-named Hemlock and it will replace the Radeon HD 4870 X2, which has been the top-of-the-range offering from ATI for over a year now.

At present there are no precise details about ATI Radeon HD 5870 X2 “Hemlock” graphics card available, but it can be expected that the product will feature 2GB of GDDR5 memory as well as numerous digital outputs, including DisplayPort, DVI, HDMI. Actual performance and other specifications will be determined a little closer to the release dates and will depend on competitive position of AMD’s graphics business unit.

At present ATI plans to release five DirectX 11 graphics processors aiming different market segments. All of presently known DX11-supporging graphics processing units (GPUs) from ATI will be made using 40nm fabrication process at Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company; hence, the initial success of the new product line will depend on yields at the contract maker of semiconductors.

Based on the currently available information, ATI’s DirectX 11 family will consist of the following products:

* Hemlock - dual-chip flagship graphics solutions powered by two RV870 chips (originally known as R800);
* Cypress – single-chip high-performance graphics solution based on RV870 chip that will replace ATI Radeon HD 4890;
* Juniper – single chip performance graphics solution that will replace the remaining Radeon HD 4870 and 4850 graphics boards. It is highly likely that this one is based on the RV870 as well;
* Redwood – single chip mainstream graphics solution(s) based on RV830 chip that will replace both RV730 and RV740-based solutions;
* Cedar – single chip entry-level graphics solution(s) based on RV810 chip;

Starting from the DirectX 11 family, ATI started to use code-names instead of code-numbers for its graphics chips and boards. Even though ATI used to name internal designs of graphics cards, it continued to utilize code-numbers to describe the GPU cores. One of the advantage that numeric code-names have is clear attribution of a chip to the particular family and apparent positioning of the chip within the family.

ATI demonstrated its first DirectX 11 graphics processors at Computex Taipei 2009 in early June, however, it did not outline any actual timeframes for introduction. There are unofficial reports over the Internet that ATI may release its chip known under “RV870” and “Evergreen” code-names in September or October. However, there are also claims that ATI Radeon HD 5000-series is only due in November.

ATI/AMD did not comment on the news-story.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/...p_DirectX_11_Graphics_Board_Late_in_2009.html

 

[Final8y]

Messed up badly.

 

[Final8y]

4890 I would say, but then you've got the problems with SLi (heat, power etc.).

Edit: Taken from another forum (not sure if I can mention them, so I won't)

That graph is complete baloney, 125% scaling..right.
Only specific on the edge Vram limitations can do that where one card is choked when waiting for the buffer to fill, but with 2 cards the buffer in AFR mode has time to refresh on the alternate card just before its needed so there is no hold up in rendering..

 

[Final8y]

Radeon HD 5870 Six with 6 display outputs, prices, performance

A few weeks ago there were reports of another member of AMD's graphics card family Evergreen. The card was code-named Trillian and would not use a special GPU but instead be a very special model. There were talks about three graphics processor but more likely it would be a card with extra display outputs. We have learned that the card will be called Radeon HD 5870 Six and support no less than six monitors, all with 3D functionality.

Many are perhaps wondering how AMD managed to fit no less than six display outputs on the back of the same graphics card. The answer is DisplayPort, or more precise Mini DisplayPort.

The interface, used quite frequently by Apple, supports resolutions up to 2560x1600 pixels through a connector that is only a fraction of the size of a regular DVI output.

DVI. vs. Mini DisplayPort

The 3D support across multiple monitors have been improved significantly with the coming Evergreen family and Radeon HD 5870 Six will take this to a whole new level. Theoretically you could connect six monitors to one and the same graphics card, with tailored resolutions. Something that should not only appeal to simulator fans but also regular gamers, or why not just use it run of the mill applications.

According to the info we received all cards of the Evergreen family will work a lot better with multiple monitors, something we're truly looking forward to seeing more of. AMD has talked about better support for multiple monitors for many years, and finally it's happening, and the exact shape and form will be revealed soon.

We can also confirm the price information on Radeon HD 5850 and Radeon HD 5870, and they will be 299USD and 399USD respectively.

Even if we don't have any benchmarks to share, we have it on good authority that AMD's new Radeon HD 5800 series will bring between 25-40% better performance than current generation, depending on games and application.

The card will use 1GB GDDR5 memory but 2GB models are to be expected. We have learned a bit about the overclocking potential and it seems the 40nm technology has matured well. There are talks about overclocking to 1GHz GPU with the reference cooler, which is on par with the current flagship Radeon HD 4890 in terms of overclocking ability.

We hope to learn more about AMD's Evergreen family soon, very soon, and we will be covering the launch of the first DirectX 11 graphics cards. A launch where performance and features are almost equally important.

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,9887.html

 

[Final8y]

Ok someone explain to me why you would want this instead of just one large screen for gaming?

Because they don't make a screen that size with that res.

 

[Final8y]

Repost.

 

[Final8y]

Looks like the cards have been around for quite some time.
ATI have done well to keep them under wraps, should mean that they have had some time to work on the drivers.

 

[Final8y]

AMD confirms DirectX 11 games: Battleforge, Stalker: Call of Pripyat, Dirt 2 and Alie

AMD confirms DirectX 11 games: Battleforge, Stalker: Call of Pripyat, Dirt 2 and Alien vs. Predator

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,...of-Pripyat-Dirt-2-and-Alien-vs-Predator/News/