Disgusting display of Racism

Roar87 said:
The problem is which stats do you use to decide what is representative? My company has decided that it isn't diverse enough, which isn't really surprising to me because they're looking at national statistics to decide how diverse we should be when the company is based up North which is predominantly white people. So if you want the company to be about 15% non white people but the area you're mostly hiring from is 97% white then it's likely you're going to struggle. But of course the people setting these targets aren't concerned with logic
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Always thought leeds was one of the more diverse northern areas? :confused:
 
I wonder how many of the people suspiciously demanding equality for all in this context would not want that equality applied so say British citizenship or right to live here?


Isn’t it discriminatory that simply because you were Born here instead of Africa say you get free education free school meals etc?


Surely these people in their drive for equality want British schools open to every single child on earth equally
Not hidden behind a cost barrier or citizen ship?
 
Tefal said:
I wonder how many of the people suspiciously demanding equality for all in this context would not want that equality applied so say British citizenship or right to live here?


Isn’t it discriminatory that simply because you were Born here instead of Africa say you get free education free school meals etc?


Surely these people in their drive for equality want British schools open to every single child on earth equally
Not hidden behind a cost barrier or citizen ship?
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Fine by me, I'm sure that most would be far more successful and grateful than the entitled and ignorant scrotes Little Britain tends to spawn.
 
Thekwango said:
BUUUUUUUUUUUUT if the majority of your workforce were black then you could actively recruit a white employee over a black one and employment law would protect you.
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As far as I'm aware that's never been tested legally, but you're missing the point. This country is still about 85% white British. I'd need over 50% other to allow me to favour a white British candidate which isn't proportional with population.
This is why, for example, some companies and even the likes of Essex Police are pushing for 50% ethnic workforces!
 
Racism is wired into people, you can't just yank it out and call it done. Being oriental, i grew up feeling the best and worse of British life. I think it got to a period where it settled down a lot and you could feel it was becoming more acceptable without people giving you weird looks cos of your ethnicity, Covid19 turned that on its head over night.

I found it so funny when people use to say (mostly the older generation) "wow you're English is good, where did you learn?!" No **** Einstein I was born here, can you not tell with my Yorkshire accent :cry:, then they looked so surprised you said you was born here...
 
Dis86 said:
you're missing the point
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i'm not missing any point. you made the statement that you couldn't favour a white person for a job over a black person and then gave a quote from equality act to back that up. All i've done is question that initial statement. as far as i can see the section of the equality act you quoted could be used to justify employing a white person over a black person given the correct criteria.
 
Thekwango said:
i'm not missing any point. you made the statement that you couldn't favour a white person for a job over a black person and then gave a quote from equality act to back that up. All i've done is question that initial statement. as far as i can see the section of the equality act you quoted could be used to justify employing a white person over a black person given the correct criteria.
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It could be but the criteria are in favour of employing a black person over a white. It doesn't account for proportional representation in the population. Hence why its perfectly acceptable for companies to aim for 50% minority workforces.
 
Dis86 said:
It could be but the criteria are in favour of employing a black person over a white
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how so? what additional criteria favours a black person - all i see in mention of disadvantaged or under-represented? skin colour is mentioned or reference? if an employer has 80% white employees and wants to increase the number of black employees the employer is protected under equality act in doing so. if an employer has 80% black employees and wants to increase the number of white employees they are equally protected when doing so.

Dis86 said:
"As of April 2011, positive action can also be exercised within recruitment and promotion in cases where the employer reasonably believes that there is a lack of representation. This allows an employer, when making hiring decisions, to select a candidate from a group that is disadvantaged or under-represented"
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all things being equal then the last sentence below is incorrect?
Dis86 said:
For example I can refuse to employ someone because they're white in favour of someone who is black. I can't do that the other way around.
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Thekwango said:
how so? what additional criteria favours a black person - all i see in mention of disadvantaged or under-represented? skin colour is mentioned or reference? if an employer has 80% white employees and wants to increase the number of black employees the employer is protected under equality act in doing so. if an employer has 80% black employees and wants to increase the number of white employees they are equally protected when doing so.



all things being equal then the last sentence below is incorrect?
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I've already explained. The population is over 80% white. A company can choose a non white employee over a white employee to at least a 50% ratio. This therefore favours, due to proportional representation, non white employees. They are perfectly able to say no to a white candidate.

I've already explained also that everyone that works for me is white so I cannot favour a white person over a black person because of their skin colour. It was a personal example.
 
Dis86 said:
I've already explained. The population is over 80% white. A company can choose a non white employee over a white employee to at least a 50% ratio. This therefore favours, due to proportional representation, non white employees. They are perfectly able to say no to a white candidate.

I've already explained also that everyone that works for me is white so I cannot favour a white person over a black person because of their skin colour. It was a personal example.
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The operative word being can, there is no enforcement to ensure such a thing happens, you are proof of that with a complete white workforce. All it allows is for companies that want to look super inclusive to the outside world that it can use such methods without falling foul of the law, or you can as you have done and just ignore it, therefore the reverse of that law need not exist.
 
Bear said:
The operative word being can, there is no enforcement to ensure such a thing happens, you are proof of that with a complete white workforce. All it allows is for companies that want to look super inclusive to the outside world that it can use such methods without falling foul of the law, or you can as you have done and just ignore it, therefore the reverse of that law need not exist.
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We haven't ignored it, we don't get a very diverse application pool due to our locale.

You're right however, we aren't forced to do it.
 
Dis86 said:
We haven't ignored it, we don't get a very diverse application pool due to our locale.
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Ok fair enough, then you can choose to ignore it if you wanted to even if there was a diverse pool of talent

edit: What might change it would be, if the government decides to push the publishing of the company ethnicity make up like they have with the gender pay gap. Then big companies will be falling over themselves to make themselves look representative or as you say, over representative.
 
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