Caporegime
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You're suggesting you can flash a monitor of your choosing to a firmware from a display that's freesync capable? You're not making any sense?
I'm quite calm Rolph mate. You can tell me to calm down when you say something that makes actual sense, because right now you're talking absolute crap.
Actually, a little edit for you as I know you like those...I don't care. Reply to yourself
No, once again you say something silly, which isn't what the original person said, and then claim it's stupid.
he did not claim you can take a firmware from a freesync capable screen and flash it to a monitor of your choice, nor did he say you could take the firmware from the Altera chip and flash this to another screen.
YOU SAID THIS, and it is daft. What he said was where freesync will be implemented is within the firmware of pretty standard parts. As I've said from the start variable refresh rate is an insanely simple idea and EVERY monitor you have ever bought(okay most likely maybe WAY back in the day) is capable of it.
From my Ilyama whatever the hell it was called CRT that I loved at 120hz but could do multiple different refresh rates, to my current Samsung 120hz which can do multiple different refresh rates, the general technology is there, the will for someone to implement via software the ability to change it by the frame rather than set once and forget is merely something no one bothered to do. Vblanking is almost certainly a simple set of functions that as seems to be the case, would need to be implemented in 1.2a to be classified DP 1.2a compliant.
Not every standard is a hardware thing, if vblanking can be done on particular chips currently via a new firmware, via a new controller, who knows. But new controller chips get made ANYWAY, times move on, people add more features, there is DEFINITELY not going to be a significant or expensive addition to future controller chips to implement vblanking.
For those insisting that laptop screens are a million miles apart.... despite using the same gpu's, same cables, mostly the same standards, and same technologies....... I say, you need bigger hands to get a really good grip on all the straw you are trying to grasp.
Most newer laptops use eDP, eDP is a superset of DP, every AMD display port connection is eDP and DP compatible, how vsync works via the Toshiba(iirc) laptop they used will be the same as on "desktop" monitors. You're talking 99% about packaging, there is exactly nothing stopping you putting a "laptop" screen in a desktop case, they both use display port and AMD absolutely supports both.
AMD supports vblanking via eDP and DP, despite it not being a standard yet. People can implement things BEFORE they become a standard, and/or change them in the future.
Most people are arguing over incredibly silly semantics because, well for most the reason is exceptionally obvious.
We have mjfrosty having a go at Humbug for "bigging up freesync" which left him speechless... but then typing more words anyway, more importantly the post he referenced wasn't bigging up freesync at all, but that rarely matters. The I'll say discussion(argument) style of consistently making up daft claims about what people posted, then trying to tear down these made up claims as a basis for winning the discussion(argument) is well, let's say insanely transparent as to the substance of their argument.
We have andy asking which screens support freesync, then excluding a laptop screen because....... errm.... he didn't explain why, but we can gather that laptop screens aren't really screens but project an image into your brain and thus can't be called screens in any way shape or form, because it doesn't fit in with his narrative of nothing supporting v-sync.
Gregster has decided freesync isn't free because laptops don't count and because it requires buying a new monitor......
You can buy a Asus 144Hz screen for however much it is, then an Asus 144Hz g-sync version for £160 more, that is where you are paying specifically £160 for g-sync.
Buying a new monitor is not free, but with or without freesync most people tend to require a monitor to you know, use their computer. Freesync will not feature an additional cost on top of that.
Every single person, including Gregster, andy and Mjfrosty KNOWS point blank what everyone is referring to in regards to the cost of g-sync and the meaning of freesync. The frankly embarrassing attempts to ignore what has also been explained in every thread, and pretend that freesync isn't "free" is well, I think embarrassing sums it up.
There is not a single non Nvidia guy who says the cost of the screen itself is the cost of g-sync, only the difference between the cost of a normal screen with and without g-sync, why must Nvidia guys make utterly silly points constantly in order to score points. Oh well.
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