I think there was rumours they're pulling out from the high/flagship end, which makes sense tbf as imo nvidia just can't be touched here when amd are charging similar price for a lesser package overall so they either need to price a comfortable 20-25% lower or just try and win the market share back at the most popular gpus tier.
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I think there was rumours they're pulling out from the high/flagship end, which makes sense tbf as imo nvidia just can't be touched here when amd are charging similar price for a lesser package overall so they either need to price a comfortable 20-25% lower or just try and win the market share back at the most popular gpus tier.
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Nice crystal balls you have there
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What could DLSS4 add that DLSS 3 doesn't already have? I see it being an iterative update only with some new rendering API that has yet to be enabled by Nvidia that further optimises quality and performance like how DLSS3.5 did with ray reconstruction which is supported by all RTX cards but benefits the most on 40x due to working alongside DLSS frame gen.
So likely see DLSS 3.6 which adds a new feature that works on existing cards just like ray reconstruction does but further speeds up ray tracing or something.
You heard it here first.
Again, I still see the 50xx cards being cards aimed at those who squarely want to maximise framerates on the new gens of Gsync OLEDs coming out with 4K 240Hz+ etc. A 4090 is never going to be able to hit those sorts of framerates in any modern game at 4K+ - Not that it matters if you don't actually have a 240Hz+ monitor in the first place though
With 16GB VRAM you forgot to mention and not using GDDR7
So likely see DLSS 3.6 which adds a new feature that works on existing cards just like ray reconstruction does but further speeds up ray tracing or something.
You heard it here first.
Again, I still see the 50xx cards being cards aimed at those who squarely want to maximise framerates on the new gens of Gsync OLEDs coming out with 4K 240Hz+ etc. A 4090 is never going to be able to hit those sorts of framerates in any modern game at 4K+ - Not that it matters if you don't actually have a 240Hz+ monitor in the first place though
With 16GB VRAM you forgot to mention and not using GDDR7
Frame Generation von AMD und Nvidia im Vergleich: Analysen und Schlusswort
DLSS 3 vs. FSR 3 im Test: Analysen und Schlusswort / Die Analyse von Frame Generation
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Frame generation wise is on par (when FSR 3 doesn't have issues that is) but as we all know, upscaling wise, FSR has a long way to go.
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DF Direct Weekly #152: Industry Lay-Offs Continue, Devs Take Back Control, Yuzu vs Nintendo
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Streamline used by Windows to support multiple upscalers. This was originally thought but as Alex says "AMD didn't want to support it" - But now that MS are taking over and baking in the framework at an OS level, you either lose out or be part of it, so this is good and potentially makes upscaling support for all games as long as the game can expose itself to the framework, I guess older games simply need a mod to show themselves to the framework rather than a modder having to inject upscaling.
All good looking ahead.
DF Direct Weekly #152: Industry Lay-Offs Continue, Devs Take Back Control, Yuzu vs Nintendo
Another big DF Direct Weekly sees John, Rich and Alex tackle the massive issue of lay-offs in the industry along with the welcome response from some develope...
Streamline used by Windows to support multiple upscalers. This was originally thought but as Alex says "AMD didn't want to support it" - But now that MS are taking over and baking in the framework at an OS level, you either lose out or be part of it, so this is good and potentially makes upscaling support for all games as long as the game can expose itself to the framework, I guess older games simply need a mod to show themselves to the framework rather than a modder having to inject upscaling.
All good looking ahead.
I'm sure amd are delighted that Microsoft are basically taking up nvidias idea and now not having any choice or excuses but to get onboard
That already exists it's called cheat engine
It's gonna get renamed to dlss4 don't worry
Man of Honour
Looks like AMD has realised that not using hardware based AI upscaling will push them into a deep cave of no return, so now they are doing a 180
www.techspot.com
Where are the FSR fanboys now huh
AMD to introduce AI-based upscaling, potentially matching DLSS
AMD has confirmed that it's developing a method to play games with AI-based image upscaling. Although further details are scarce, this could potentially bring the company's solution...
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Where are the FSR fanboys now huh
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Following on from that, looks like FSR powered by AI hardware will only be possible on RDNA3 and above, and going by chatter on [H] and elsewhere, likely won't see RDNA4 until AI-FSR is ready, but if PS5 Pro uses it too, then that will likely take priority for obvious reasons. So once again lagging behind in the PC space for AMD:
forums.tomshardware.com
News - AMD confirms it is working on an AI upscaler for gaming – CTO Papermaster says it's part of 'AI enabling our entire portfolio
AMD's CTO Mark Papermaster confirmed in an interview that it is working on an AI upscaler for gaming. This could be the next major update for FSR. AMD confirms it is working on an AI upscaler for gaming – CTO Papermaster says it's part of 'AI enabling our entire portfolio : Read more
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Following on from that, looks like FSR powered by AI hardware will only be possible on RDNA3 and above, and going by chatter on [H] and elsewhere, likely won't see RDNA4 until AI-FSR is ready, but if PS5 Pro uses it too, then that will likely take priority for obvious reasons. So once again lagging behind in the PC space for AMD:
News - AMD confirms it is working on an AI upscaler for gaming – CTO Papermaster says it's part of 'AI enabling our entire portfolio
AMD's CTO Mark Papermaster confirmed in an interview that it is working on an AI upscaler for gaming. This could be the next major update for FSR. AMD confirms it is working on an AI upscaler for gaming – CTO Papermaster says it's part of 'AI enabling our entire portfolio : Read more
Pretty sure Sony have said they're working on their own upscaling solution? It's a shame amd are so far behind here and they have the over the fence approach, powering consoles and obviously having that relationship with both microsoft and sony, they really could have excelled with fsr.
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Good that they're actually *trying* now but I personally think they'll keep it locked behind rDNA4 onwards.Following on from that, looks like FSR powered by AI hardware will only be possible on RDNA3 and above, and going by chatter on [H] and elsewhere, likely won't see RDNA4 until AI-FSR is ready, but if PS5 Pro uses it too, then that will likely take priority for obvious reasons. So once again lagging behind in the PC space for AMD:
News - AMD confirms it is working on an AI upscaler for gaming – CTO Papermaster says it's part of 'AI enabling our entire portfolio
AMD's CTO Mark Papermaster confirmed in an interview that it is working on an AI upscaler for gaming. This could be the next major update for FSR. AMD confirms it is working on an AI upscaler for gaming – CTO Papermaster says it's part of 'AI enabling our entire portfolio : Read more
Wonder if amd will get the same **** then for locking their tech to certain gpus as nvidia do?
If it works well, it's a good move as heck look at me and others with nvidia gpus, we can't and don't want to move to amd because of how good nvidias feature set is. AMD need to start doing the same. The key thing they will need to do is make sure they take ownership in the development and improvement of this or at least provide a t shirt size like nvidia do because if they just throw it over the fence again and expect devs to do the tuning themselves, well then it'll be repeat of FSR 1-3 again with inconsistent results and more often than not just being poor.
Wonder if amd will get the same **** then for locking their tech to certain gpus as nvidia do?
If it works well, it's a good move as heck look at me and others with nvidia gpus, we can't and don't want to move to amd because of how good nvidias feature set is. AMD need to start doing the same. The key thing they will need to do is make sure they take ownership in the development and improvement of this or at least provide a t shirt size like nvidia do because if they just throw it over the fence again and expect devs to do the tuning themselves, well then it'll be repeat of FSR 1-3 again with inconsistent results and more often than not just being poor.
It is a good move. They need to compete. This is a good solution in doing so. If they solve it and bring their solution to be as good as DLSS that will remove a big barrier imo.
Yup, it was all very well saying "we support all gpus and our tech works on everything" etc. but as shown by the poll here and other sites, who cares when people don't want to use it?
If they do end up locking it to RDNA 4 and maybe RDNA 3, it means they have a far lesser userbase to support as well as optimise for, which in theory, means they'll be able to get the best from it.They shouldn't lock it to rdna4, but I have no issue if rdna4 has certain bits that help accelerate the workloads required to do what it needs to do fast enough so that it can actually do it. Though this is from my understanding that it's all just maths, and gpus should be good at doing maths but not necessarily good enough to drive an upscaler fast enough for it to work well.
Hope they do if the do lock it to say RDNA4 only !
Caporegime
Wonder if amd will get the same **** then for locking their tech to certain gpus as nvidia do?
If it works well, it's a good move as heck look at me and others with nvidia gpus, we can't and don't want to move to amd because of how good nvidias feature set is. AMD need to start doing the same. The key thing they will need to do is make sure they take ownership in the development and improvement of this or at least provide a t shirt size like nvidia do because if they just throw it over the fence again and expect devs to do the tuning themselves, well then it'll be repeat of FSR 1-3 again with inconsistent results and more often than not just being poor.
It depends on whether they try and keep some backwards compatibility like Intel does. If not then they deserve criticism!
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