DNA Database

Still wont stop someone placing a few hairs, or similar donations, of yours at a crime scene.

Imagine the fun and games if, for a joke, you placed a mate's w*** sock next to a corpse! :D
 
I'd be pretty against the idea of this, I don't trust the Government to do anything right... *Awaits rolleyes ;)*
I don't know how they go about matching DNA or whatever but as the OP states, it would be an IT disaster waiting to happen. Can just imagine hundreds of innocents being sent down and all the positive "we're so great at arresting violent criminals" news reports...

Instead of farting around trying to be all sci-fi and fantastic, how about that Judge maybe whines about how the violent criminals merely get a slap on the wrist for whatever they might have done. <dramatisation>"Oh... Smacked that old woman around, stole her bag and then went on a 17 mile joyride? ... Em... Right, £70 fine and you can paint a couple of fences and lamposts around town, see you when you repeat offend. *waves cheerfully*"
 
Meridian said:
Right, yet again:




The DNA profile contains only two useful pieces of information:

1) Your gender.

2) Whether you have one specific type of red hair (yes, really).

The rest consists of "junk DNA" (look up Short Tandem Repeats), with no genetically useful information. It is worthless to any insurance company etc.


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If that is the case, why have such a database at all? I realise that wasting money is part of the government's job, but that is ridiculous.
 
afraser2k said:
Or it could be one of the countless cases of wrongful arrest in the UK, especially mistaken identity.
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But if you have become a freedom fighter, then its not exactly mistaken is it :P

But are you suggestion the the numerous times during a hearing they tested the sample with ones of your own, they would screw up every time?


I'd still join the freedom fighters side though : )
 
Angilion said:
If that is the case, why have such a database at all? I realise that wasting money is part of the government's job, but that is ridiculous.
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Because that useless information , is unique and can identify you, it just couldn't say whether your at risk of heart deaseise.
 
"If you've nothing to hide " is the stupid mantra of people with no ability to think for themselves or read history.
 
I have nothing to hide and I don't mind this.

I would also like to abolish the need for search warrants because I have nothing to hide.

I would also like to aboloish the right to have a solicitor because, hey, i've got nothing to hide.

Reason for arrest? Should be optional really.

ID cards? Should be a crime not to have it tattoo'd on your forehead.

Nothing to hide me. I'll give it all up, sign me up for every database.
 
Tefal said:
Because that useless information , is unique and can identify you, it just couldn't say whether your at risk of heart deaseise.
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A person's sex will narrow it down to about 30 million people.

How does whether or not a person has one specific type of red hair uniquely identify each one of 30 million people? Surely it can only divide them into two groups - those who do and those who don't.
 
Angilion said:
If that is the case, why have such a database at all? I realise that wasting money is part of the government's job, but that is ridiculous.
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Because the DNA area examined varies massively between everyone alive. It varies quite noticeably between relatives (except identical twins). Which means it can be used to distinguish between people in the same way fingerprints can. They don't contain any "useful" information either, in the sense of allowing someone to work out characteristics of a person from them.

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Emlyn_Dewar said:
it would be an IT disaster "
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The NDNADB has been going about ten years now - isn't that disaster overdue be about ten years? DNA profiles are small simple files, and the software used to handle them is a simple database. The hard bit is doing the profiling, and that was figured out years ago. Even if everyone was profiled, the scale-up is trivial.


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Angilion said:
A person's sex will narrow it down to about 30 million people.

How does whether or not a person has one specific type of red hair uniquely identify each one of 30 million people? Surely it can only divide them into two groups - those who do and those who don't.
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Sweet jesus man the nonsense DNA, is just structural it codes for nothing! ie none of it is the gene for axe murdering homicidalness, but that nonsense dna that is included IS UNIQUE TO YOU! Thats how they match it with you, the sex and the hair etc are just some nice easily recognisable pheno types to make sure.
i.e no point testing a woman against a mans DNA.


This is just so, as stated earlier, it could not be abused by an insurance firm etc in future.
 
bbspeed said:
"If you've nothing to hide " is the stupid mantra of people with no ability to think for themselves or read history.
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Which is often the response of those with something to hide.


The problem is though the keyboard warriors that complain about the rise in crime, but don't want to do something about it.

The justice system is not perfect now. It never will be, so mistakes will continue to be made with or without a database, as a result of a human operated system.

Ooh did I just think that.........no couldn't possibly have done;)
 
i have no issue with it at all, infact when my son was born, i questioned why DNA is not stored at that point.
 
I don't have a problem with it at all. The benefits for society far outweigh any personal invasion of privacy issues. For example:

By the end of 2005, about 200,000 samples had been retained that would have been destroyed before the 2001 change in legislation. 8,000 of these samples matched with DNA taken from crime scenes, involving nearly 14,000 offences, including murders and rapes.
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Taken from here
 
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