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Do AMD provide any benefit to the retail GPU segment.

Maybe not, but with nVidia's market share and the number of people desperate for an upgrade (as shown by all the posts on this forum about it), I think a £700-750 4080FE would absoutely fly off the shelves.
Would that not have been good for Nvidia though instead of a card with sales on life support.
 
Isn’t the sole reason people want AMD to do well is to get Nvidia to drop prices ?!

I want them to do well and there to be competition. And by that I mean better prices for me whichever way I go. But these days AMD are happy just letting their market share drop into single digits by not pricing where they should.

Then you have people defending them saying why should AMD price it much lower than Nvidia. Erm...

Makes me laugh. People slated the 4080 due to its looney pricing (rightly so). Then the same people when the 7900 XTX hit were saying it is very good and priced well. Erm....
 
As @CAT-THE-FIFTH pointed out Nvidia have $5 Billion worth of inventory collecting dust.

I don't know what it is with Nvidia but despite that ^^^^ they still insist on selling last gen for above MSRP, they are loosing sales, so much so that they have cut TSMC orders by more than one third.

They are incredibly pig headed about making us like this new normal of very expensive cards, AMD have slashed last gen prices to below MSRP now, in some cases by a huge chunk.
They have already bought up some of Nvidia no longer needed capacity and have recently announced they will be buying up a lot more.
 
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Nvidia's market share in 2014 62%
GTX 780 £549

Nvidia's market share in 2023 92%
RTX 4080 £1,269

Notice a pattern? as Nvidia's market share increases, Nvidia's MSRP increases. To stand a chance of prices returning to normal, we simply need to lower Nvidia's market share back down to 62% by switching to team blue or team red and the xx80 class cards should come back down to £549 (adjust to inflation). Intel and AMD will be forced to undercut Nvidia like they have been.

I used to think this way too. But when AMD don't care enough to price their products as we all expect, why should I line their shareholders pockets?


Judging by the current trend, I think gamers will let AMD Radeon Group go bankrupt and then the 5080 will cost £3000.

They will have done that to themselves though.
 
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As @CAT-THE-FIFTH pointed out Nvidia have $5 Billion worth of inventory collecting dust.

I don't know what it is with Nvidia but despite that ^^^^ they still insist on selling last gen for above MSRP, they are loosing sales, so much so that they have cut TSMC orders by more than one third.

They are incredibly pig headed about making us like this new normal of very expensive cards, AMD have slashed last gen prices to below MSRP now, in some cases by a huge chunk.
They have already bought up some of Nvidia no longer needed capacity and have recently announced they will be buying up a lot more.

I can't wait for the 7800XT to cost less than the 3080, currently £750 and kill it stone dead so Nvidia are forced to either write off $5 Billion or fire sale the 3000 series, at long last.
 
The 6900XT was a 90 competitor though while the 7900XTX is an 80 competitor so should be priced more like what an 80 class product has traditionally sold for, do you think it would have been priced at 1k if Nvidia had released a 4080 using a 102 die for $700 again?
They would have sold it at under $700, just like they did with Fury and Vega.
 
I can't wait for the 7800XT to cost less than the 3080, currently £750 and kill it stone dead so Nvidia are forced to either write off $5 Billion or fire sale the 3000 series, at long last.
If they price the 7600XT, 7700XT and 7800XT just right with plenty of VRAM they could put a nice dent in Nvidia's sales/pricing. Do they have the volume though? I'd sell my 3060Ti for a 7800XT if they price it right.
 
If they price the 7600XT, 7700XT and 7800XT just right with plenty of VRAM they could put a nice dent in Nvidia's sales/pricing. Do they have the volume though? I'd sell my 3060Ti for a 7800XT if they price it right.

Don't know, i think 16GB and = to 6900XT for $649 for the 7800XT.
AMD bought up massive amounts of 5nm and Zen 4 isn't selling as well as Zen 3 did, so it should be good capacity, they are also buying up Nvidia's cancelled 4nm.
 
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They were misquoted from an original statement they made, regarding future plans, so responded with that on what their future plans are.

All but confirming they don't want to compete in that price segment. 11:30 in the video of the tweet:)

Ah ok thanks :)

I've heard it said before that internally AMD just don't want to go above $1000 for retail GPU's, too much of a risk for them and they think their partners to design $1400 GPU's that they then have to reduce to $1000 because no one wants them.
 
Totally worth it for not having to use FSR alone.

I'm not going to complain about the price of the 4090, its a halo money is no object product, and a good one.

My problem is with Nvidia trying to push people who don't have unlimited resources in to much higher price bands or you get nothing.
Yes people may point at the 7900XT but at lease AMD quietly admitted they got that wrong and corrected it, Nvidia just give you the finger.
 
I'm not going to complain about the price of the 4090, its a halo money is no object product, and a good one.

My problem is with Nvidia trying to push people who don't have unlimited resources in to much higher price bands or you get nothing.
Yes people may point at the 7900XT but at lease AMD quietly admitted they got that wrong and corrected it, Nvidia just give you the finger.
With the 4090 you're getting 28% better raster and 72% better RT when you look at a summary of multiple reviews for 53% more money as a UK buyer which is actually very good scaling for a halo card.


AMD haven't corrected the 7900XT all they have done is drop the price to match the terribly priced 4070ti, both those cards should be around £600.
 
With the 4090 you're getting 28% better raster and 72% better RT when you look at a summary of multiple reviews for 53% more money as a UK buyer which is actually very good scaling for a halo card.


AMD haven't corrected the 7900XT all they have done is drop the price to match the terribly priced 4070ti, both those cards should be around £600.

i'm looking at TPU 4K results, as is my usual for many years, i really don't know why you should feel the need to correct me in this way and big the 4090 up more. all sites have variation from eachother and i've said the 4090 is a good card, i have no issue with it.
 
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