Do extra terrestrials exist? If so...

Zbornak said:
Dimple and Glaucus, are you both suggesting that in every single case of someone seeing an unidentified object in the sky, they believe it is of extra-terrestrial origin?
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They are UFOs, nothing to do with Aliens

Richdog said:
Dimple, comparing yourself/your neighbour to NASA scientists and experienced Air Force crew is perhaps somewhat... how do I put it mildly... ludicrous.
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They are human beings and subject to the same illusions as us.

Story from last year and how the average human being see's things they don't understand.
I was getting some petrol and noticed a bunch of people looking up at the sky but I couldn't see because I was under a big canopy.
As I drove out I stopped behind them, looked up and just told them it was a Chinese Lantern.
They wouldn't have it, they firmly believed it was a UFO/Alien so I looked round the sky and there was another two outside my passenger window.
I said 'Look behind you, there's another 2 UFO's floating in' and one of them asked me what a Chinese Lantern was.
Basically if you've never seen something before then you'll find it very strange.
In fact, go back a few years and I posted a UFO story about 30 lights in the sky and how I tried to chase them down to Brittania Stadium.
As soon as somebody linked to a video of Chinese lanterns I knew that was exactly what they were but it had me at the time.
The thing was I firmly didn't believe they were UFOs but slow flying planes coming from a demo or something.
My mind will not enter into the fantasy realm for some reason and I'd rather think of sensible alternatives.
 
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Castiel said:
Trust me, when I say bat**** crazy I mean totally certifiably insane. I would no doubt be most peoples idea of bat**** crazy, and some of these guys make me look the positively sanest person in the known Universe........
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Now steady on a second, I might be willing to suspend disbelief and accept that extra-terrestrials are a distinct possibility but you as the sanest person in the known universe? Sir, you strain credulity to its very bounds... :p
 
I saw a UFO in the Everglades in Florida. Watched it for a couple of minutes. Have absolutely no idea what it was but probably a plane.
 
Castiel said:
Nope, but a genuine unidentified object is exactly that, unidentified....it doesn't make it an Alien Starship.
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the fact it gets seen in the first place would make me think its not alien, if you can travel the stars surely you would be smart enough to either pop in and say hello, or not get seen in the first place..

unless star travel is very easy and they are only a bit more advanced than us
 
Dimple said:
They are UFOs, nothing to do with Aliens



They are human beings and subject to the same illusions as us.

Story from last year and how the average human being see's things they don't understand.
I was getting some petrol and noticed a bunch of people looking up at the sky but I couldn't see because I was under a big canopy.
As I drove out I stopped behind them, looked up and just told them it was a Chinese Lantern.
They wouldn't have it, they firmly believed it was a UFO/Alien so I looked round the sky and there was another two outside my passenger window.
I said 'Look behind you, there's another 2 UFO's floating in' and one of them asked me what a Chinese Lantern was.
Basically if you've never seen something before then you'll find it very strange.
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I remember a documentry about UFO's where they debunked a lot of famous sightings...

one witnessed by 100's of people was simply millitary flares dropped on parachutes and the sudden vanishing was simply them drifting down behind some mountains...
 
There has to be, I mean in the Sombrero Galaxy alone has over 800 billion stars. That is just 1 galaxy out of many we have found... You can't tell me there isn't life out there somewhere, we surely can't just be the only planet with life on it. I mean think about it, if the universe did all start at the same time with the big bang and there are other life forms out there... They may not be as evolved as us. We could be the most advanced species in the universe.

one witnessed by 100's of people was simply millitary flares dropped on parachutes and the sudden vanishing was simply them drifting down behind some mountains...
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I remember seeing that.
 
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edscdk said:
the fact it gets seen in the first place would make me think its not alien, if you can travel the stars surely you would be smart enough to either pop in and say hello, or not get seen in the first place..

unless star travel is very easy and they are only a bit more advanced than us
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why? we could be insignificant to them

they can travel the amongst the stars what can we do? we are like ants to them most likely
 
I think it's pretty much a given that there is other life out in the universe.

If you consider how big the known universe is, and everything that we don't know.

Statistically speaking it is more likely that there is life out there than not.

If you then also consider the amount of time that has passed since the beginning of time, there has been more than enough time for a species to evolve to our level and beyond.


There are many planets out there that we know of in the same situation as earth, which means it is highly probable that these planets are home to vast civilizations much greater than our own.

Out there somewhere are vast alien cities and wonders that we will never see.

Now, whether they have the capability to visit us is another matter, but potentially there are civilisations out there that are far more advanced than our own.

Obviously the dominant life force on this planet, the dinosaurs, were wiped out by an extinction size asteroid 65 million years ago.

What if there is a planet out there where this didn't happen? And the evolution on that planet was able to carry on without contest, imagine the level a civilisation like that would be at? It's mind boggling.

If other life was able to reach us, or has already, they would have to be far more advanced than we, and have been able to find a method of travelling faster than the speed of light, or have much longer lifespans than our own.
 
Hxc said:
I believe that there is probably life out there somewhere. However I do not believe it has come into contact with us
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First post wins.

I cannot believe there is nothing else out there anywhere but for it to travel all the way to this **** hole would be a right waste of their time.
 
Davepen said:
Obviously the dominant life force on this planet, the dinosaurs, were wiped out by an extinction size asteroid 65 million years ago.

What if there is a planet out there where this didn't happen? And the evolution on that planet was able to carry on without contest, imagine the level a civilisation like that would be at? It's mind boggling.
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that is assuming that the dinosaurs would have been able to evolve to a level of sentience required to be considered advanced in the context you mean...they may well have simply remained dinosaurs with very little cognitive evolution.

This is what is equally mind boggling, the chances that llife exists at all are astounding when you consider all the variables that have to exist (and those we do not even know about yet) to just have the right environment for life, but that it evolved into a cognisant, sentient single lifeform such as humanity is as astounding as the number of stars in the Universe.....
 
Castiel said:
that is assuming that the dinosaurs would have been able to evolve to a level of sentience required to be considered advanced in the context you mean...they may well have simply remained dinosaurs with very little cognitive evolution.

This is what is equally mind boggling, the chances that llife exists at all are astounding when you consider all the variables that have to exist (and those we do not even know about yet) to just have the right environment for life, but that it evolved into a cognisant, sentient single lifeform such as humanity is as astounding as the number of stars in the Universe.....
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Reading your post has made me epiphany myself right in the face.

I know epiphany isn't a verb, but it is today.
 
Castiel said:
This is what is equally mind boggling, the chances that llife exists at all are astounding when you consider all the variables that have to exist (and those we do not even know about yet) to just have the right environment for life, but that it evolved into a cognisant, sentient single lifeform such as humanity is as astounding as the number of stars in the Universe.....
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That's very true.
I for one would welcome our new reptilian overlords... :D

My mind just blows when I think of everything out there.
 
I remember a long time ago (preteen) not exactly sure on age, I was sleeping in my room. I think it was a dream, it felt so real, there was this green glowing alien standing against the wall, I went up to see & I tried screaming for my mom, but nothing came out. We didn't watch anything about UFOs then so it didn't come from TV or the movies.
 
Castiel said:
This is what is equally mind boggling, the chances that llife exists at all are astounding when you consider all the variables that have to exist (and those we do not even know about yet) to just have the right environment for life, but that it evolved into a cognisant, sentient single lifeform such as humanity is as astounding as the number of stars in the Universe.....
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dont forgetting time and the size of a planet..

the chances may be tiny, but you have a planet of building blocks and billions of years to get it right... so (making figures up here) a trillion trillion random conbinations of chemicals a second for a billion (or 4) years... thats a lot of rolls of the dice
 
I dunno. The universe is such a mind-blowing thing....I don't rule anything out. We're so insignificant in terms of our age and knowledge that it's silly to speak with any certainty about the whole "aliens" subject.
 
Dimple said:
They are human beings and subject to the same illusions as us.
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I can't believe you are STILL comparing yourself and your neighbours to an Air Force pilot or NASA scientist, even after it has been made more than clear to anyone with an iota of common sense that the situations are COMPLETELY different, ie: they are experts in the aero and space fields, and still cant work out what they saw... whereas you and your neighbours as good as clueless (if that) in comparison to the expert knowledge they possess. I'm not saying they saw aliens, but the fact they have no idea what they were even after careful analysis using their aforementioned expert knowledge speaks volumes and highly suggests that the technology in use in the UFO's they have witnessed is nothing like what is currently in the public domain.

You really, REALLY can't see the difference? :confused:
 
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Firstly, there's nothing saying that his neighbours aren't pilots and are not of the same intelligence level, and, apparently, eye sight level. And secondly, there are many natural phenomenon that haven't been explained, and human ones which just look like weird stuff.
 
They can work out what it is. Ice/debris particles near the ship in NASAs case for most footage, and other explanations for other footages, like the shuttles own shadow.

Also military pilots mean jack all. Wow they can fly. Are they above human perception. There's a lot of well documented miss-perceptions down to how we function. It doesn't matter who you are, you ain't getting over that. Are 99.9% of military personal in the loop on top secret info? Of course not.

What's that fallacy name of putting illogical belief in some one qaulified but not really qualified.
 
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