Do we as a forum need a bit more consistency in our recommendations

[bru]

Ohh my god not again!

Lets put people in boxes?

Ill go first,

Weehamish - Cant make up his own mind even when shown whats what! Still cant decide what case he wants, thinks paying £100+ extra is worth it.

hehe love this

OK I admit it I do sometimes post to stimulate a response.
Just the other day me and another forum member had a nice little discussion/argument about posting just to get a response, of course I still maintain that I was right, but then thats what happens when you have two disagreeing points of view.

Spoiler

Damn Ive done it again, this is sure to incite a response which of course he wont be able to help himself, I wouldn't. (notice the use of the word response not reaction as in negative reaction .

 

[Rroff]

What I post about PhysX is objective. People seem to think "objective" means positive, and if you're not being positive, you're not being objective.

I'm talking about objective whether positive or negative, but then you get people who are making borderline personal attacks, and generally ridiculing the subject out of hand to the point of ignoring the requirements the person who originally brought it up may or may not have and so on.

 

[Netmeister]

Maybe but these petty squabbles are what comes with any Vs.

I think another contributing factor is the fact that 99% of posters will never meet face to face.

The only forum I use daily is one where I have actually met a large portion of the members because of the nature of the subject (bike track days), and because people meet this pettiness rarely happens (if ever).

Unfortunately though, this sort of thing will always happen while there's a keyboard for people to express themselves and a screen to hide behind.

 

[bru]

The issue is that people are always going to stray when they see something they don't like and it's always going to be then going back and forth which isn't a problem normally except the quality of debate is often extremely poor. Coherence is a massive problem here in this forum and personally I just can't let an incoherent argument sit there without saying anything...

An opinion I disagree with is fine to sit there though of course. There is a massive distinction between an opinion based on incoherent reasonings and an opinion on sound logic which you disagree with.

+1

and then some

 

[spoffle]

hehe love this

OK I admit it I do sometimes post to stimulate a response.
Just the other day me and another forum member had a nice little discussion/argument about posting just to get a response, of course I still maintain that I was right, but then thats what happens when you have two disagreeing points of view.

Are you talking about when you kept posting examples that "proved" your point that weren't actually related to what was being said?

For example, posting single GPU bench marks in response to some one discussing multi GPU performance?

Some one else came along and told you were wrong too, you've ignored that bit though. Your point was that 7950s weren't faster than 680s, Rusty's bench marks prove otherwise, something other people have corroborated.

Yes, I can really see how right you were there.

 

[Tonester0011]

Please do say something with regards to this nonsense with Greg then please.

Because coherence is a factor here. For some reason "I have been" to him means "I currently am" and it's just going around in petty circles with him talking rubbish about things I'm doing that I'm not.

Whether or not you actually ever intended to set up a hybrid physix rig or not, even considering the fact means you thought at one stage it to be "worth it" (albeit not enough to buy a cheap 8800GTX to set it up, doesn't matter)

It is a contradiction of the advice you once gave as it "not being worth it"

I quite like following the arguments that go on, gives me something to giggle about

 

[spoffle]

I think another contributing factor is the fact that 99% of posters will never meet face to face.

The only forum I use daily is one where I have actually met a large portion of the members because of the nature of the subject (bike track days), and because people meet this pettiness rarely happens (if ever).

Unfortunately though, this sort of thing will always happen while there's a keyboard for people to express themselves and a screen to hide behind.

The issue further to that is also comprehension, when you've met and even know someone in person, you understand what they mean when they say things in a certain way. Something that's lost on people if they've never actually met in person.

 

[Rusty0611]

Please do say something with regards to this nonsense with Greg then please.

Because coherence is a factor here. For some reason "I have been" to him means "I currently am" and it's just going around in petty circles with him talking rubbish about things I'm doing that I'm not.

I'll have to be honest and say I haven't actually read any of the postings between you two on this thread so I can't possibly comment.

I don't really get involved in other people's disagreements unless I've got something to add myself.

 

[Cleeecooo]

Some one else came along and told you were wrong too, you've ignored that bit though. Your point was that 7950s weren't faster than 680s, Rusty's bench marks prove otherwise, something other people have corroborated.

I don't know the argument, nor have I seen the graphs posted, but I'd just like to butt in and say that 7950's should not be faster than 680's

It's illogical

7970's better than 680's, maybe, but at very best, 7950's will be about equal in heaven (gaming may be different due to bias to one company)

 

[spoffle]

Whether or not you actually ever intended to set up a hybrid physix rig or not, even considering the fact means you thought at one stage it to be "worth it" (albeit not enough to buy a cheap 8800GTX to set it up, doesn't matter)

It is a contradiction of the advice you once gave as it "not being worth it"

I quite like following the arguments that go on, gives me something to giggle about

Why is it a contradiction though? It relies on an act. I have considered it (in the past). I see that you've made the assumption that my considerations happened AFTER I posted about it not being worth it.

Me being tempted to try it out were quite a while ago, before I even signed up here in fact. For it to be a contradiction, I'd have to be telling people it's not worth it, while having a Hybrid PhysX set up and feeling that it was worth it.

 

[Rusty0611]

I don't know the argument, nor have I seen the graphs posted, but I'd just like to butt in and say that 7950's should not be faster than 680's

It's illogical

7970's better than 680's, maybe, but at very best, 7950's will be about equal in heaven (gaming may be different due to bias to one company)

I believe they were taking about multi GPU/multi screen while overclocked at the time.

Happy to be corrected if wrong.

 

[spoffle]

I don't know the argument, nor have I seen the graphs posted, but I'd just like to butt in and say that 7950's should not be faster than 680's

It's illogical

7970's better than 680's, maybe, but at very best, 7950's will be about equal in heaven (gaming may be different due to bias to one company)

It's actually reasonably explained, we were talking about high resolution multi monitors. It's well known that the GTX6XX series are bottlenecked at high resolution due to a lack of memory bandwidth (256 bus).

Bru then started posting single GPU benchmarks as "proof" that a single GTX680 is faster than a single 7950 when the discussion was 2 of each on multiple displays.

It's also been common knowledge that the AMD cards pull ahead in single GPU single monitor situations due to memory bandwidth too (not as exaggerated as 3 monitors and multi GPU though).

Also, some one with multi GPUs is more likely to also have multiple monitors, or at least a 2560x1440 display, otherwise they'd be a waste.

Don't forget the "Never Settle" drivers that have increased performance too.

On single monitors with single GPUs, there's so little between them to notice any difference that they may as well all be the same anyway (which is the reason why most people recommend 7950s over the 7970, 670 or 680).

 

[bru]

Yes spoffle that would be the thread that after seeing Rusty's results I admitted it was wrong, I conceded defeat on the point of the 7950's being faster in those circumstances to the 680's.

It's something that doesn't happen hardly anywhere often enough people admitting when they are wrong.


Oh god Ive don't it again. I apologise for helping this thread go right off topic.

 

[bru]

Yes I still do maintain that I was right about you posting what you did in order to get a response.

You posted about multiply cards at very high resolutions in a thread about a particular review, funnily enough reviewing single cards.

 

[weehamish]

OK i just skimmed all that whats happening here?

 

[bru]

hehe its gone way off course as is the norm here unfortunately.

 

[spoffle]

Instead of being 900 down, you're 460 down with more performance...

 

[Tonester0011]

Instead of being 900 down, you're 460 down with more performance...

He's £100 down on original purchase price (adding the money "earnt" from selling the 680s)
His performance is adequate for his needs, going to 7950's less so in the context of benchmarking.

Do you like to argue for arguments sake? A couple of threads back (no idea which) Greg mentioned his reasons for keeping the 680s instead of hopping ship to AMD (irrespective of the performance boost he would get from doing so)

 

[Gregster]

Instead of being 900 down, you're 460 down with more performance...

But this isn't so because I would lose 3D and I would lose PhysX and instead of getting 70fps I get 75fps. I can't see that as profit. The only way I would profit is if I sell my 680s for more than I paid for them. Basic math no?

 

[Martini1991]

Well you could get the 3D back and PhysX is so-so.

I can see where he's coming from, don't quite get the heat he's taking for it, but meh.

Problem with forums/Discussions around PC hardware etc, is we're all soo damn arrogant