Do you believe?

I don't think the universe is full of life, but I do believe life exists (at least in some form) other than on Earth. It exists in some pretty odd places with no sunlight for example on Earth, so it must exist in other places too.

I do not like how religion causes so many conflicts in humanity (both historically and the present/future), it's like kids going to war over what colour Santa Claus wears, red or green?
 
hornetstinger said:
Then by your logic, all gods and godesses exist. And not just your single God you just happen to believe in.

Also Gods and other power entities of other alien civilisations must exist then.
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I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion.

I simply stated the fact that we can't disprove something exists in the universe when we've explored so little of it.

That doesn't mean that anything *does* or *must* exist, simply that you can't *disprove* something exists, somewhere.

For the record, in this thread I haven't said what I believe in. Just that I find it odd people claim aliens *must* exist, somewhere, and that God *can't* exist, somewhere, based on the same data (or lack of it).

I think it boils down to our assumptions forcing us to believe one way or the other. Because when it comes to proof, you can no more prove aliens exist than you can disprove God exists, at the current time with our current understanding and exploratory progress.
 
FoxEye said:
I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion.

I simply stated the fact that we can't disprove something exists in the universe when we've explored so little of it.

That doesn't mean that anything *does* or *must* exist, simply that you can't *disprove* something exists, somewhere.

For the record, in this thread I haven't said what I believe in. Just that I find it odd people claim aliens *must* exist, somewhere, and that God *can't* exist, somewhere, based on the same data (or lack of it).

I think it boils down to our assumptions forcing us to believe one way or the other. Because when it comes to proof, you can no more prove aliens exist than you can disprove God exists, at the current time with our current understanding and exploratory progress.
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sorry but this is nonsense - the two concepts are as far apart as can be.
We know life exists, we have absolute proof - its only a question of whether it exists elsewhere, and then its all a question of probability and if the conditions can be replicated in another place (and if it will have the same results).
We have no physical evidence that a god does or even can exist, its an absolute unknown (and potentially unknowable).
 
'God' is the cop out answer to questions we don't have the real answer to.

Just like how the reason the sun seems to come up and go down is not because of a 'sun god'. But it was thought that it may have been a long time ago. Eventually we will find more answers to more difficult questions and in their stead even more difficult questions shall arise and I don't doubt there will be people saying that god is the answer to them only for them to be proved wrong in the future.

As for other life out there in the Universe, I would say the only good answer to that is probably.
 
h4rm0ny said:
"You know, what it is... Look at Mars. Mars is, and scientists agree on this, not a great planet. What can you say about it? It's red, that's it. But you know, Earth. Earth has a lot going for it. If Earth weren't my planet, I'd invade her. So to the aliens, I will say. "We're going to build a wall around the Earth. And the aliens are going to pay for it. And maybe, you know, we'll stick some solar panels on it so the wall will actually make money. Oh, and Xenu. I've met Xenu. I have a good relationship with Xenu. He's a great guy."
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That's realistic as something he'd say. Which is disturbing.

Looking on the bright side, it bodes well for UK-USA relations. They have Trump, we have May. Oh dear.
 
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h4rm0ny said:
"You know, what it is... Look at Mars. Mars is, and scientists agree on this, not a great planet. What can you say about it? It's red, that's it. But you know, Earth. Earth has a lot going for it. If Earth weren't my planet, I'd invade her. So to the aliens, I will say. "We're going to build a wall around the Earth. And the aliens are going to pay for it. And maybe, you know, we'll stick some solar panels on it so the wall will actually make money. Oh, and Xenu. I've met Xenu. I have a good relationship with Xenu. He's a great guy."
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Actually wouldn't surprise me if Trump wanted to build an inverse (sort of) Dyson sphere and then charge other countries for sunlight.
 
FoxEye said:
I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion.

I simply stated the fact that we can't disprove something exists in the universe when we've explored so little of it.

That doesn't mean that anything *does* or *must* exist, simply that you can't *disprove* something exists, somewhere.

For the record, in this thread I haven't said what I believe in. Just that I find it odd people claim aliens *must* exist, somewhere, and that God *can't* exist, somewhere, based on the same data (or lack of it).

I think it boils down to our assumptions forcing us to believe one way or the other. Because when it comes to proof, you can no more prove aliens exist than you can disprove God exists, at the current time with our current understanding and exploratory progress.
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Totally absurd analogy and you know it.

Life exists here. So it's probable it exists somewhere else.
Someone won the lottery. So it's probably if you play enough you'll win.

Your numbers will one day come up. Even if the lottery had a billion balls, if you lived long enough you would win.

On the other hand there is no supportive evidence of any supernatural beings, so nothing we can base it on. So you cannot predict god(s) exist just because we can't disprove it.

Can you disprove that a planet exists of chocolate? No you can't. But it's highly unlikely for one to exist.

Now if Mars was made of chocolate then you can predict another planet somewhere in the universe is also made of chocolate.
 
mrk said:
There won't be a big crunch, the universe (well, our universe if you follow the multiverse principle) just simply continues to expand at an accelerated rate depending on what objects are being observed from our point of reference. What is our universe expanding into? Million dollar question if ever there was one. unlikely we will ever know the answer to this as human beings. The machines we send out to find those answers will likely know though in millions/billions of years to come.



The Universe might have an "end" in the standard sense, but we will never ever be able to see or get to it. There's a very simple reason for it, the rate of expansion the farther away galaxies get from us accelerates as time goes on relative to us. There comes a point where their distance is so great that they reach and exceed the speed of light as they move away from us. Of course the point at which the light they emit, the same light that eventually reaches us millions/billions of years later, carries on coasting through space at the speed of light, but as the universe expands, the physical galaxies themselves spread apart at their respective rates.

We just won't be able to observe those galaxies any more because the light stops reaching us since the point of reference that began has finished and the new point of reference would otherwise be from the galaxy drifting away beyond the speed of light.

It's quite confusing, but Ask an Astronomer explains it really nicely, well worth the read! But the main bit is here:



Source: http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/97...peed-of-light-disappear-from-our-observations
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That actually makes real sence love it thanks :)
 
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