Does anyone on this forum consider themself as being " woke "

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I don't know how some people maintain their constant high levels of moral outrage. I'd find it mentally exhausting - life is too short so I stick to "don't be a ****".

Pretty much all the crappy old attitudes are going to disappear naturally over generations, it's not something that you can wave a wand at and magically fix.

Saying that, I'm definitely concerned for my nephews and nieces and the nonsense they may have to put up with in the future if these divisive attitudes continue to gain traction.

Unfortunately there's plenty of precedent for "all the crappy old attitudes" not disappearing naturally over generations because of people promoting them. Often they get worse. Sometimes much worse. The people who "maintain their constant high levels of moral outrage" can steer a society because they have so much drive. Even when they're a minority, their drive can give them more power in steering a society than the majority. Extremism is fundamentally more energetic than moderacy. That's also helped by other factors. They have no objection to lying. They don't care about evidence. They don't care about thought or reason or fairness. Their way of thinking is so simple that they don't need to think at all. It's a far easier position to take. Destruction is usually easier than construction.

What usually happens is either that they fail to gain any power or that they succeed and create a hellish society for a while which collapses either from revolution or invasion. The "woke" bunch are well on the way to the latter. They've already passed the "no power" hurdle, so that safety net has gone. I think they'll continue to gain power until things are at least as bad as, for example, segregationist USA. Maybe worse.
 
I don't know how some people maintain their constant high levels of moral outrage. I'd find it mentally exhausting - life is too short so I stick to "don't be a ****".

Pretty much all the crappy old attitudes are going to disappear naturally over generations, it's not something that you can wave a wand at and magically fix.

Saying that, I'm definitely concerned for my nephews and nieces and the nonsense they may have to put up with in the future if these divisive attitudes continue to gain traction.

With some of the nonsense being pushed in schools now, many kids are going to need re-teaching once they are released in to the real world :\
 
Where’s the outrage at Biden now that there’s still 17 000 children locked up at the border. Or should I rather say, been ‘ripped from their mothers’ arms’.

Can the woke lot please stand up for that.
 
Where were the wokes when these people needed help?

Could it be because it was happening in an African country?

https://qz.com/africa/763470/the-la...lavery-is-jailing-its-anti-slavery-activists/

I mean, you’ve actively quoted a woke journalist discussing it, so he’s there, along with the 30,000 people who belong to this org alone... https://www.iabolish.org/

Maybe it’s just you that’s not heard of it, so you are just projecting? You should probably do something rather than slating other people for not doing anything, then talk.
 
I mean, you’ve actively quoted a woke journalist discussing it, so he’s there, along with the 30,000 people who belong to this org alone... https://www.iabolish.org/

Maybe it’s just you that’s not heard of it, so you are just projecting? You should probably do something rather than slating other people for not doing anything, then talk.

Have you actually read anything on that site/organisation you linked? They're pretty much the exact opposite of the people pushing "woke" ideology in the western world.

https://www.iabolish.org/modern-day-black-slavery-is-taboo-the-real-reason-why/

While it doesn't explicitly use the word "woke", that article basically describes why they believe Western progressives are one of the main reasons why modern day slavery isn't talked about.

This one is good too; https://www.iabolish.org/human-rights-groups-are-a-hoax-how-they-abandoned-black-slaves/
Marching under the banner of “not in our name” confers public virtue on the marchers and expiates them from the widespread and widely accepted charges against white, Western culture. Being against apartheid in South Africa meant that a white person who sees white evil and stands against it immediately identifies that person as among “the good whites.”

It matters not that slavery in North Africa is 100 times worse than apartheid in South Africa. The real problem is that blacks are enslaved by Arabs and Muslims. If what matters is the credit one’s white self gets by blasting bad whites, then stories about evil deeds done by non-Westerners distracts from the ultimate goal. Westerners who act this way think they are responding correctly and morally to the claim they have internalized that the West is guilty of the worst crimes in the history of man. They feel the need for expiation. Indeed, one could say that the entire project of AI and HRW is just a glorified apology tour.

There could be more slaves today in the world than at any time in human history — around 40.3 million. Most of these slaves serve people who are not from Western cultures (largely in India), and so campaigning against this — which is clearly much worse than most every other crime with the exception of murder — distracts from the average Amnesty, Human Rights Watch, or United Nations activist’s goal of gaining themselves “innocence” from Western sin. It was only when sexual slavery was found to abound in the West also that the human rights community began to freely use the word “slavery.”

This is a sin. A double sin, in fact: firstly, it makes the West seem much worse than it is, because focusing on Western evil when non-Western evil — which often is so much worse — is ignored, demands an explanation of one’s agenda. The other sin is worse: the great Western human rights “apology tour” abandons those people — victims of non-Western horrors — who need Western humanitarian power and compassion the most. Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and their ilk should be renamed: “Societies for the Improvement of Western Behavior.”
 
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Have you actually read anything on that site/organisation you linked? They're pretty much the exact opposite of the people pushing woke ideology in the western world.

https://www.iabolish.org/modern-day-black-slavery-is-taboo-the-real-reason-why/

While it doesn't explicitly use the word "woke", that article basically describes why western progressives and woke types are one of the main reasons why modern day slavery isn't talked about. [..]

They describe it as "moral psychosis". Even I haven't used that phrase to describe it. Now I've read the phrase, I think it's accurate.

Citing an organisation that describes progressivism/wokeness as "moral psychosis" as being a woke organisation is an odd choice for hurfdurf to make.

It's the same reason why the longest-running slave trade (well over 1000 years) with the largest number of victims is ignored with great determination and whitewashed out of history - the slavers were (and are) what "progressives" consider a superior group identity (muslim, which "progressives" consider to be non-white for some unexplained reason). What's happening today is a resurgence of that slave trade, which was suppressed only by European empires invading and suppressing slavery by force.
 
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I mean, you’ve actively quoted a woke journalist discussing it, so he’s there, along with the 30,000 people who belong to this org alone... https://www.iabolish.org/

Maybe it’s just you that’s not heard of it, so you are just projecting? You should probably do something rather than slating other people for not doing anything, then talk.

I am deeply concerned that the Woke people are more interested in what 2 spoilt millionaires have got to say in California to a billionaire interviewer than what is really going on with things like slavery which should have been abolished many years ago.

Perhaps if Oprah had any genuine concern for things like modern day slavery in Africa and Asia she would spend some time highlighting it rather than rubbing shoulders with Royalty.

If the Woke brigade focused their attention on what is happening in Africa and Asia the world might be a better place for everyone.

What I would very much like to know is what are the Wokes going to say and do about something like the Uighurs in China, this is far mare important than most of the stuff they talk about.
 
With some of the nonsense being pushed in schools now, many kids are going to need re-teaching once they are released in to the real world :\
My brother has already had a row with the school because one teacher had pushed "white privilege" into a class agenda. Thankfully my niece is pretty savvy, didn't like the guilt-tripping slant of the way it was presented and mentioned it.
 
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Have you actually read anything on that site/organisation you linked? They're pretty much the exact opposite of the people pushing woke ideology in the western world.

https://www.iabolish.org/modern-day-black-slavery-is-taboo-the-real-reason-why/

While it doesn't explicitly use the word "woke", that article basically describes why western progressives and woke types are one of the main reasons why modern day slavery isn't talked about.

This one is good too; https://www.iabolish.org/human-rights-groups-are-a-hoax-how-they-abandoned-black-slaves/

What makes one issue “woke” and one issue legitimate I wonder?
 
I am not a right winger but I just think woke people are people that have gone to far to the left and see everything as an injustice needing to be solved by authoritarianism. Usually an injustice against them.
 
What makes one issue “woke” and one issue legitimate I wonder?

It's usually (though not always) about the way the issue is treated more than the issue itself.

For example, "woke" people believe that racism is the only way to treat the issue of racism. They've rendered themselves incapable of understanding even the most basic concepts of equality, so they see the only choices that can exist as being racism or racism. In the case of slavery, "woke" people regard slavery as a legitimate issue only if they can use it to promote anti-"white" racism.

So what makes an issue legitimate is the subjective assessment of the person making that decision. To some people, 5G activating the chips implanted by vaccines is a legitmate issue. To some people, the inexplicable conspiracy to pretend the Earth isn't flat is a legitimate issue. Those people are "woke" in a broader sense in that they perceive themselves to be awake to the truth, that they are special people who know the truth and preach it.

But that doesn't affect the fact that the site you cited as an example of "woke people" is in fact a site that regards "wokeness" as a moral psychosis.
 
Unfortunately there's plenty of precedent for "all the crappy old attitudes" not disappearing naturally over generations because of people promoting them. Often they get worse. Sometimes much worse. The people who "maintain their constant high levels of moral outrage" can steer a society because they have so much drive. Even when they're a minority, their drive can give them more power in steering a society than the majority. Extremism is fundamentally more energetic than moderacy. That's also helped by other factors. They have no objection to lying. They don't care about evidence. They don't care about thought or reason or fairness. Their way of thinking is so simple that they don't need to think at all. It's a far easier position to take. Destruction is usually easier than construction.

What usually happens is either that they fail to gain any power or that they succeed and create a hellish society for a while which collapses either from revolution or invasion. The "woke" bunch are well on the way to the latter. They've already passed the "no power" hurdle, so that safety net has gone. I think they'll continue to gain power until things are at least as bad as, for example, segregationist USA. Maybe worse.
You have just described Trump, the Tories and brexit yet some how switched it to 'the woke' at the end. Is that you playing with words or do you genuinely not see it?
 
It's usually (though not always) about the way the issue is treated more than the issue itself.

For example, "woke" people believe that racism is the only way to treat the issue of racism. They've rendered themselves incapable of understanding even the most basic concepts of equality, so they see the only choices that can exist as being racism or racism. In the case of slavery, "woke" people regard slavery as a legitimate issue only if they can use it to promote anti-"white" racism.

So what makes an issue legitimate is the subjective assessment of the person making that decision. To some people, 5G activating the chips implanted by vaccines is a legitmate issue. To some people, the inexplicable conspiracy to pretend the Earth isn't flat is a legitimate issue. Those people are "woke" in a broader sense in that they perceive themselves to be awake to the truth, that they are special people who know the truth and preach it.

But that doesn't affect the fact that the site you cited as an example of "woke people" is in fact a site that regards "wokeness" as a moral psychosis.

This is such a stretch I’m surprised you can post it in earnest. It would appear to me quite simple. A subject is woke if you don’t agree with it, it’s not if you don’t. How individuals discuss said issue is neither here nor there.

I can’t say I’m going for the Chinese by calling it the “chinky”? Woke nonsense politically correct gone mad my free peaches!

I got called a Gammon on Twitter? Racism of the highest order, utterly disgraceful, no place in polite society for that kind of abuse. I’m a victim!!
 
You have just described Trump, the Tories and brexit yet some how switched it to 'the woke' at the end. Is that you playing with words or do you genuinely not see it?

I don't see it because I'm not "woke" to it. In the same way, I don't see that covid-19 is an act by the one world order illuminati chemtrails secret world government.

There's plenty wrong with lots of politics, including the ones you dislike, but your claim is a strange reversal of the truth. "Trump, the Tories and brexit" are not devout authoritarian bigots seeking to corrupt everything into their favoured irrational prejudices. That's not the sole and entire focus of their entire ideology. They're wrong in other ways, but they're not the woke and they're much less dangerous.
 
We need to hope this is as bad as it gets and thus we need to hope we can keep this going for as long as possible. because it's only going to get worse.

I wouldn't invest in humanity.
 
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