does God exist in space?

Tombstone said:
In that link...from the not at all unbiased christian answers website ;) , they say "actually, the reference is to ...". Interesting use of the word, actually.

Do they explain how it is that they know , "actually" rather than assuming, what the writers meant?
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Isn't this just semantics?

Of course I'm going to refer to a website like that rather than one trying to disprove it..... always two view points and I'm just stating mine, they put it much better than me so at least I was referring to the source.

Well, here you go, using a non-Christian website - Pythagoras - Early Greek philosophers alluded to a spherical Earth, though with some ambiguity.[12] Pythagoras (6th century BC) was among those said to have originated the idea


The shape of the earth may already have been known in Isaiah's time. Ancient astronomers could determine that the earth was round by observing its circular shadow move across the moon during lunar eclipses. There is some suggestion that the Egyptians knew of the earth's spherical size and shape around 2550 B.C. (more than a thousand years before Moses). The Greek philosopher Pythagoras, who was born in 532 B.C., defended the spherical theory on the basis of observations he had made of the shape of the sun and moon. If this information was known by educated Greeks and Egyptians during biblical times, its use by Isaiah is nothing special.
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boxman2000 said:
Isn't this just semantics?

Of course I'm going to refer to a website like that rather than one trying to disprove it..... always two view points and I'm just stating mine, they put it much better than me so at least I was referring to the source.

Well, here you go, using a non-Christian website - Pythagoras - Early Greek philosophers alluded to a spherical Earth, though with some ambiguity.[12] Pythagoras (6th century BC) was among those said to have originated the idea


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Lots of IFs and Maybe's in that one though.

Yes its just semantics, but when someone uses a phrase like "no..ACTUALLY, its this", thats a bit like saying no..you are wrong and I know categorically that I am totally correct. At that point it becomes more than semantics.

I'm not saying they thought it was flat, or they thought it was a sphere, my point is that nobody knows what they thought it was. Anyone who states that they do know what they thought is wrong at best, arrogant at worst.

(for the record, to the question does god exist in space, imo the answer is no, because imo he doesnt exist anywhere, let alone in space :) )
 
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Tombstone said:
Lots of IFs and Maybe's in that one though.

Yes its just semantics, but when someone uses a phrase like "no..ACTUALLY, its this", thats a bit like saying no..you are wrong and I know categorically that I am totally correct. At that point it becomes more than semantics.
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Agree but as you well know what we have in the bible is a translation from Hebrew/Greek which are very descriptive languages compared to English. Things like context and various meanings of the same word changes things totally. Anyway, the original Hebrew shows a meaning for circle can also mean 'sphere' so it's certainly an interesting point whether accepted or not.

Look at the Great Pyramid, really interesting articles out there showing it's precise positioning...... too much of a coincedence if they didn't know the spherical nature of the earth.
 
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boxman2000 said:
Agree but as you well know what we have in the bible is a translation from Hebrew/Greek which are very descriptive languages compared to English. Things like context and various meanings of the same word changes things totally. Anyway, the original Hebrew shows a meaning for circle can also mean 'sphere' so it's certainly an interesting point whether accepted or not.

Look at the Great Pyramid, really interesting articles out there showing it's precise positioning...... too much of a coincedence if they didn't know the spherical nature of the earth.
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Mind you, there are equally lots of interesting articles out there showing that the Pyramids and the Sphinx were built by extra terrestrials, doesnt make it true :D

Take the Nazca lines, for a long time we believed they were impossible to make without being airborne, now though we know that its entirely possible to make them from the ground.

As for the Hebrew also meaning sphere, this page, http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_the_...e_like_a_coin_or_a_sphere_Isaiah_C40_verse_22

says that it doesnt also mean sphere. So again, evidence for and against.

Depends what the bible is supposed to be for I suppose. If I was an omnipotent god and wanted a holy book , I would make certain that its meanings were definitive and couldnt be easily miscontrued by such simple things as translation.
 
AcidHell2 said:
Why would he only make one race, also wouldn't you class angles and his other creatures in heaven as aliens.
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Technically yes they would be aliens.

Well someone from a different area is classed as an alien in the bible so I guess we all are!

At the end of the day the bible doesn't give any further clue to other races of beings on other planets other than the heavenly beings such as angels, cherubim & seraphim etc. There may well be but we aren't told so I take that to be that we don't need to know.

Interesting points though.
 
Tombstone said:
Depends what the bible is supposed to be for I suppose. If I was an omnipotent god and wanted a holy book , I would make certain that its meanings were definitive and couldnt be easily miscontrued by such simple things as translation.
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Good point, but there is enough in the bible to prove itself without these sorts of things being an issue.

At the end of the day it's about making sure with as much certainty that we know what we believe and why we believe it. The earth being round or flat or whatever people thought it was/wasn't back then doesn't give me any less reason to disregard the bible.

Others will disagree which is fine but it's the people who take on viewpoints without forming any basis at all that annoy me - doesn't matter to me if their views are different but at least do a bit of reading about things (not pointing fingers here, just a general statement).

Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53 give me more than enough reasons to believe the bible just from a messianic prophecy angle.

Tombstone said:
Everything is easy if you are omnipotent :D
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Dead Sea Scrolls being preserved...... pretty good evidence of an omnipotent God!

The Jewish nation still existing.... #2
 
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boxman2000 said:
Good point, but there is enough in the bible to prove itself without these sorts of things being an issue.

At the end of the day it's about making sure with as much certainty that we know what we believe and why we believe it. The earth being round or flat or whatever people thought it was/wasn't back then doesn't give me any less reason to disregard the bible.

Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53 give me more than enough reasons to believe the bible just from a messianic prophecy angle.
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Indeed, the flatness of the planet has little to do with the message of the bible. I for instance dont take the planets form as something to make me believe or disregard the bible, just as I dont believe or disregard the contents of a Harry Potter book. Both are just stories to me, though one is slightly better in terms of blood, gore, sex and general carnage and so a better read ;)
 
boxman2000 said:
Dead Sea Scrolls being preserved...... pretty good evidence of an omnipotent God!

The Jewish nation still existing.... #2
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I wouldnt say either of those are "evidence" of an omnipotent god. Not unless we are also going to declare that the Parthenon still standing is evidence of the Greek Gods and the tribes of the amazon still existing are evidence of a Snake god :D
 
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