How you getting on with your own idiot?
Does something need to be done about dogs?
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How you getting on with your own idiot?
Sadly he has still abjectly failed at all training classes and the simplest of commands is beyond him. He's one dumb pup, his uncle beforehand was the direct opposite! Perhaps dumb isn't fair...belligerent. thats better.
Kept on a very tight and short leader when he's out. Kept away from kids at all times. Only let off the lead in a free-run area when he's out.
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Not really. Thats the entire point of laws. To stop easily prevented things from happening that aren't good for society. Thats why certain breeds are banned. That why guns are largely banned. Thats why you can't walk around with a machete.
Free doesn't mean you can do whatever you want at the cost of others.
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Laws stop nothing. They merely provide a vehicle for punishment and compensation.
There is no law that will actually stop me from taking my guns and walking around with them, while having a machete strapped to my hip.
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It amazes me the way many Americans rant on about freedom. Americans are not free. Every country, including America, has laws that heavily restrict freedom. It has to be that way, or society descends in to chaos.
What, in detail, do you propose to stop things like this rare event happening?
Norton dog attack: Girl, 5, badly hurt outside shop
Farrah-Leigh Nichol was bitten on the face during a shopping trip with her father to buy some bread.www.bbc.co.uk
Can't even take your kid to the shops without them having their face torn to pieces these days.
All is fine.
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Rare event?
English hospital episode data analysis (1998–2018) reveal that the rise in dog bite hospital admissions is driven by adult cases - Scientific Reports
Dog bites are a global health issue that can lead to severe health outcomes. This study aims to describe the incidence and sociodemographics of patients admitted to English National Health Service (NHS) hospitals for dog bites (1998–2018), and to estimate their annual direct health care costs...
www.nature.com
A recent United Kingdom (UK) population-based survey estimated that 25% of individuals have been bitten in their lifetime16. A third of those bites required medical treatment,
That's not a rare event!
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What happened to @Tr1p after he took his dog to the vet to get it checked over?
Kyra King: Parents of baby mauled by dog sentenced
Three-month-old Kyra King was killed in woods in Lincolnshire as her parents exercised 19 dogs.
www.bbc.co.uk
Sentenced. A well behaved, disciplined, well trained dog. That is exactly what I'm talking about.
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Nowhere in the article does it say that though?Kyra King: Parents of baby mauled by dog sentenced
Three-month-old Kyra King was killed in woods in Lincolnshire as her parents exercised 19 dogs.www.bbc.co.uk
Sentenced. A well behaved, disciplined, well trained dog. That is exactly what I'm talking about.
I doubt Huskies in dog sled packs would be well trained (other than in sled related commands)
They are a hard breed to train anyway.
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Kyra King: Parents of baby mauled by dog sentenced
Three-month-old Kyra King was killed in woods in Lincolnshire as her parents exercised 19 dogs.www.bbc.co.uk
Sentenced. A well behaved, disciplined, well trained dog. That is exactly what I'm talking about.
Thats just awful. Those parents will never get over that trauma. The sight of their child will haunt them. Not stopping it will haunt them. Trying to resuscitate her after the attack will haunt them. Just awful.
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Do you think they competed on a national level with a pack of wild savages?
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No, I think they had a pack of working dogs that aren't very domesticated.
Do you think they had 19 Huskies running around indoors?
Do you think they had 19 Huskies running around indoors?
I'm not really saying it, I'm reminding you that this is the society we live in, because it's a fact and it's a price we all pay, because that's the nature of a free society.
It's a pretty bad argument if I'm honest.
When we decide over whether or not there should be a new law, we weigh up the pros and cons and debate it.
In the case of dog ownership, the UK is a nation of dog lovers, and dogs are part of the nations DNA and history. Dogs on the whole are a tremendous mental health benefit, make wonderful companions, working dogs and so on.
It's true that occasionally we have a horrific incident, but the numbers are generally so small - I'd argue that the pros of dogs, far outweigh the cons.
Also - you can walk around with a machete if you have good reason, if you were walking down the street to help a neighbour clear their yard of brush and scrub - carrying a machete would be perfectly legal.
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I'm not arguing for banning all dogs. The machete is a good example. You can walk down the street just fine with a machete if you have a good reason and are not an oik. If the police stop you they might have a word but nothing more. If you are an oik with a criminal background it will be different. If you use it as a weapon it is different.
There is nothing wrong with having dogs but some breeds are so dangerous if they decide to go rogue or if people use them as a weapon that they should be banner. There should also be much tougher sentencing for owners who do not take adequate precautions when their dog is large and powerful or has a bad temperament. I would wager that most dogs that attack someone have not be "good as gold" the entire rest of their lives and the owners, much in the same way as parents do, just ignore their dogs bad behaviour.
My partners parents quite happily forget that their dog bit me when I touched him when he was feeding. He was an aggressive dog and if he had properly gone for someone he would have done real damage and I wouldn't have been the least bit surprised if it happened.
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Why did you ignore what i asked?Rare event?
English hospital episode data analysis (1998–2018) reveal that the rise in dog bite hospital admissions is driven by adult cases - Scientific Reports
Dog bites are a global health issue that can lead to severe health outcomes. This study aims to describe the incidence and sociodemographics of patients admitted to English National Health Service (NHS) hospitals for dog bites (1998–2018), and to estimate their annual direct health care costs...
A recent United Kingdom (UK) population-based survey estimated that 25% of individuals have been bitten in their lifetime16. A third of those bites required medical treatment,
That's not a rare event!
I'lll ask again : What, in detail, do you propose to stop things like this rare event happening?
So that you don't dodge this question again, i mean by rare that it's rare a child is killed by a dog going to the shop. But let's not argue over that, answer the question on what would you do to stop it?
Nah, if you're caught with a machete in public for no good reason (such as the example I gave before) - criminal record or not, you're absolute toast, probably jail.
Yeah I agree with that, I think some dogs should be banned as they're far too dangerous by design and in some cases aren't even established breeds, they're monsters created to frighten and intimidate.
And this is how a free society works, people on the whole are allowed to do sensible and reasonable things, the law can come in and help prevent problems at the extreme end - but on the whole you can do pretty much as you please here, within reason.
The child wasn't killed. I don't get why you want to focus on one specific attack scenario to the exclusion of all others. That's very strange.
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Oh, I should have lived in the Victorian era, because I would have sentenced them to five years in prison as well, so they have time to mull over their mistake, and to send a clear message to other parents to look after their children better when in the presence of large dogs.
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