Jesus Christ. That should be a custodial sentence for the owner. Wasn't even on a lead.
Does something need to be done about dogs?
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Jesus Christ. That should be a custodial sentence for the owner. Wasn't even on a lead.
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It was the way the dog was wagging its tail as it just thought it was having fun hunting the people down!
It was the way the dog was wagging its tail as it just thought it was having fun hunting the people down!
Didn't even spot that, was just the way he was charging down people. I always thought if my small dog was ever attacked by a bigger dog that you'd be able to kick out or swing something to get it away, but if it's something like a bully XL you just wouldn't stand a chance. They're incredibly agile, and I guess with a decent weight and muscle behind them they're not likely to back down from getting hit. It's just stupidly dangerous.
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My mini sausage dogs wouldn't have a chance against something like that either.
I often wonder if there will ever be a need to take a legal small knife with you to stab one to protect your dog if it was being attacked.
Same breed as mine. And exactly, whilst they can be quick, they just wouldn't outrun a bigger dog, nor be tall enough to avoid any serious/fatal injury. In that case I would just pick them up and hope for the best
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The average teenager has more intelligence and ability than a dog? You don't deal with many teenagers do you?
Any form of crime from littering upwards, have them put down and the parents neutered, it's the quickest way to clean up the gene pool.
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A small knife is going to do you no good at all when a seven stone dog knocks you down, which it will do immediately. It would be ragging you about and you'll have issues hitting a vital point, while you are scared, in pain, and are trying to keep it off your face and neck.
I trained with weapons for years, and I can tell you that a committed attack is hard to stop.
For an animal like that you need a spear, training and luck.
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They're mini warriors aren't they?Same breed as mine. And exactly, whilst they can be quick, they just wouldn't outrun a bigger dog, nor be tall enough to avoid any serious/fatal injury. In that case I would just pick them up and hope for the best
I don't think I'd even be able to keep them safe if I picked them up coz I'm only 4ft 11 and a half inches!
Lilith is a hefty 6kg so I struggle to lift her if I have to pick her up so we'd be screwed!
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Youre more likely to be attacked by a feral human, do you take a knife out for that?
As a lover of large breeds (Mastiffs) I do hope the government bans these bullyXL monstrosities.
But I still want licensing and mandatory insurance laws, if you can afford to feed it you should be able to afford a license and proper insurance.
I also want to stop hybrid breeding, by adding additional controls and legislation to breeders.
But I still want licensing and mandatory insurance laws, if you can afford to feed it you should be able to afford a license and proper insurance.
I also want to stop hybrid breeding, by adding additional controls and legislation to breeders.
It’s something, but I don’t see how banning a particular breed solves the issue of aggressive dog attacks. Any number of dog breeds could do as much damage or more, when out of control.
The responsibility should be on the owner IMO.
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I wonder if you pepper spray the dog if that would stop the attack..
Probably would, but it’s an offence to carry pepper spray.
There's a shock.. Another Killer attack dog bread specifically for killing and attacking... attacks.
They really should be euthanized on sight.
Along with the owners.
Mandatory chipping.. Any pit pull type dog should be seized and destroyed if it's not chipped and insured.
Much like an illegal car.
They really should be euthanized on sight.
Along with the owners.
Mandatory chipping.. Any pit pull type dog should be seized and destroyed if it's not chipped and insured.
Much like an illegal car.
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But they typically don't... thus why there is a campaign to ban this particular breed which is responsible for half of all deaths from dogs this year.
Ban this breed and you can start reducing the most serious dog attacks.
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It is an easy patch, but does not address the underlying cause, and the lack of government means pretty much any solution is unlikely to be enforced to any meaningful extent.
The study evidence within its context was never in question... I even pointed out how my sources referred to it in the course of their investigations.
What is in question is it's degree of relevance, your understanding of it, and its application as either fully representative of any breed as a whole or as any definition of breed itself.
See, ^that illustrates the point perfectly...
The "breed" of an XLB is what was described in the official Breed Standard posted earlier. That is what a 100% breed-typical XLB should be like. That's what 'breed' means... and pretty much every modern breed was 'artificially created'.
Arguably the XLB breed may well have originally been bred "to develop a dog that was calmer and more adaptable than the American Staffordshire Terrier" with "the intention of creating a companionable and friendlier variant of a guard dog" and those of the founding bloodlines may well be "highly regarded as a companion and family dog, known for its sensitive and highly adaptable nature... exhibiting friendliness towards its loved ones, children, and even strangers".....
You gonna read that and still try telling me my assertion of breed not defining behaviour is false?
Not mutually exclusive, but they are almost entirely independent of each other.
Genetics contribute to defining which dogs are typical of a breed. That's about as close as the two terms get.
And, since you read the study, you'll know that the heritability of traits do still vary considerably between dogs, both within and across breeds, because even within breed their genes and bloodlines do vary. "Genetically close" is a relative term, and you'll see even greater variance within breeds not officially recognised by any kennel clubs - usually working breeds.
The problem is the breeders, yes. The trouble is with the bloodlines from which they deliberately breed. Good or bad breeding is a factor, but breed itself is not.
Banning is not the solution.
Banning is what gave rise to XL Bullys in the first place.
Incidentally, they've already moved on to XXL Bullys... what's next, do you think?
"The 1980s saw an increasing number of reports of unprovoked attacks by Pit Bulls on humans – between 1981 and 1991 there were 15 fatal dog attacks in England and Wales. So, in 1991, the UK government decided to take action, banning the breed along with three others".
"The American Bully, as it is now known, began development in the 1980s with the majority of the final behavioral and aesthetic product being completed in the 1990s."
XLBs were basically in development and first recognised (technically just asserted) as a breed in 2004.
So only about 13 years of breeding to get the resulting XLB and get it recognised. Probably less than 10, in reality.
It's also quite likely to blow back into your own face instead of your target.
You can carry K9-17 and other such 'personal defence' sprays or 'dog sprays', which contain no substances considered "noxious".... but the risk of blowback remains.
Or just show the dog a knife... Dogs are scared of knives, you know.