Does something need to be done about dogs?

Exactly.
All the scooters going 25mph with 2 kids on are left.
You could drive a police car around here and catch 2 people in the act on any one drive by.
But it's not policed at all.

Keep hearing more and more "can't be bothered to report x, y, z as police won't do anything." and I don't blame people.

It's annoying as hell, because in my mind - so much can be done to solve the problem, it really isn't rocket science.

Prohibit the worst offending dog (BullyXL)
Bring back licensing
Mandatory insurance
Legislate to prevent unsanctioned crossbreeding of dogs, to prevent the creation of monsters
Get tough on people who break these rules,

But again - I guess we agree, when the government and public services have become so bad they may as well be fake, there's not much hope,
 
It's annoying as hell, because in my mind - so much can be done to solve the problem, it really isn't rocket science.

Prohibit the worst offending dog (BullyXL)
Bring back licensing
Mandatory insurance
Legislate to prevent unsanctioned crossbreeding of dogs, to prevent the creation of monsters
Get tough on people who break these rules,

But again - I guess we agree, when the government and public services have become so bad they may as well be fake, there's not much hope,

Its a really sorry state really.
We are starting to expect things to fail. And we tolerate it.
But we also tend to vote for tax cuts as a nation (like the USA). So I guess part of it is self inflicted.
On flip side, it's probably a lot bigger than just underfunding. So much waste around. Look at Birmingham CC. Bankrupt. Absolutely ridiculous.

So yeah. I doubt anything will be enforced. The only people who would follow these rules are sort who they wouldn't be applicable to.

Can you even insure these dogs anywhere? Kodas insurance wouldn't touch them. So all these owners are happy to have uninsurable dogs too
 
Can you even insure these dogs anywhere? Kodas insurance wouldn't touch them. So all these owners are happy to have uninsurable dogs too

No,

I'm looking into quotes for a Bullmastiff in around a year or two from now (when I get my house and life sorted out), and I can get full insurance with £2-3M in legal cover etc, for between £50-90 a month depending on plan etc.

Just for the lulz, I looked at getting a quote for a BullyXL and not a single insurer would even give me a quote, the option for that breed doesn't exist, it's greyed out - or it point blank says "nope!" I suppose somebody could bend the rules by putting "Crossbreed in" but I imagine the insurance company would run a mile, when you need to pay for a KC lawyer £200k in fees to defend you in court!
 
No,

I'm looking into quotes for a Bullmastiff in around a year or two from now (when I get my house and life sorted out), and I can get full insurance with £2-3M in legal cover etc, for between £50-90 a month depending on plan etc.

Just for the lulz, I looked at getting a quote for a BullyXL and not a single insurer would even give me a quote, the option for that breed doesn't exist, it's greyed out - or it point blank says "nope!" I suppose somebody could bend the rules by putting "Crossbreed in" but I imagine the insurance company would run a mile, when you need to pay for a KC lawyer £200k in fees to defend you in court!
Says it all. If an insurer cant make profit from it, there's an issue

Be it the breed, the owners or a combination of factors.. The problem is big enough for insurance to say "nope"
 
Is this one of those rare GD threads where nearly everyone agrees?

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How does that prevent an attack taking place?

No dog is under control unless leashed and muzzled. Putting the breed on the banned list will mean that can be enforced. It can still maul owners and kids at their home though or escape and do damage. A licence doesn't do **** to prevent bad things happening.

Even without licensing, people can be banned from dog ownership if found to be a dick to the animal or disregard the safety of others. Those laws need to be enforced!
Licensing will do jack all to prevent anything and is just a comfort blanket that big nanny state types want.

I'm pro banning breeds. It starts the removal process and acceptability of having these horrific animals. There's also a bunch of restrictions then put in place on owners of the breeds without affecting others with non-war dogs.

I'm pro enforcement of current laws. Idiot owners need banning from ownership and to pay for the damage their animals cause (all dogs included in this). If your dog can't be insured, and it's on a banned list, then it needs to be destroyed unfortunately. It's classed as dangerous for a reason.

I'm pro licensing for breeders. You breed something that kills? You have some explaining to do; lineage and temperament of ascendants, due diligence on who it was sold to, ensuring they understand how to train and control etc.

I'm anti licensing for ownership*. What does it actually achieve? It's typical British "oi, got a licence for that?' memery that we get ridiculed around the world for.

*before any action is taken on the above first. If those steps fail to reduce the attacks, then yea, maybe take a look at a dog ownership licence. Still can't see what it will achieve, be enforceable and could even make things worse through complacency.
I agree with your post, and banning the breeds.

Licensing would be a long term thing. Because the problem with banning specific breeds is they start mixing the breeds so it's difficult to nail them.

If joe bloggs is banned from owning a dog of any breed he could be reported and jailed. Examing the breed of the dog wouldn't be necessary.
 
Think I saw a Bully XL the other day, thing was just a massive block of muscle with teeth. No idea what you would do to stop it if it went for someone, dogs half its size are incredibly strong but this thing was seriously intimidating.

The owner didn't exactly give me much confidence in its training either.

This is a problem. The types of people these types of breeds attract probably shouldn’t own them. All of my big and potentially dangerous dogs have been well trained daft family pets. I still would never leave any situation to chance though.
 
Hilarious, some of the owners are reacting and they're exactly the sort of people you'd expect to own an XL Bully. :D


Super responsible owner who has a dog with cropped ears and gives the lead to a small child to hold... like she'll be able to control it if it does decide to run off/attack someone or something.
 
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Same breed as mine. And exactly, whilst they can be quick, they just wouldn't outrun a bigger dog, nor be tall enough to avoid any serious/fatal injury. In that case I would just pick them up and hope for the best :(
Dachshunds can be some of the most possessive and aggressive little dogs going. Not surprising considering they were bred to go down badger holes, badgers aren't exactly friendly. But as you say, they're so small they can't really do much to anything other than a small child, and you can just pick it up. Not saying yours is aggressive, but they do tend to get away with it because it's "cute".

It's not a block of muscle that can go on a rampage.

People end up with working breeds not really understanding that they were bred for tenacity.
 
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As a lover of large breeds (Mastiffs) I do hope the government bans these bullyXL monstrosities.

But I still want licensing and mandatory insurance laws, if you can afford to feed it you should be able to afford a license and proper insurance.

I also want to stop hybrid breeding, by adding additional controls and legislation to breeders.

Breeding for profit yeah. Accidents will always happen. Like my Jack Russell / Staff Cross. I can't imagine he was a deliberate choice :cry:.
 
Hilarious, some of the owners are reacting and they're exactly the sort of people you'd expect to own an XL Bully. :D


Super responsible owner who has a dog with cropped ears and gives the lead to a small child to hold... like she'll be able to control it if it does decide to run off/attack someone or something.
The scary thing in that photo is none of the people who are with the dog look like they would be able to physically restrain it should dog go into the red zone. Why anyone needs such as large dangerous dog is beyond me.
 
The scary thing in that photo is none of the people who are with the dog look like they would be able to physically restrain it should dog go into the red zone. Why anyone needs such as large dangerous dog is beyond me.

Hide behind it, they usually want to look dangerous but they're not capable of doing it themselves. Classic status dog. The guys who are big enough to restrain it don't need it, I see more of them with smaller dogs like Frenchies. It's just fashion at that point (and also a bad reason to own a dog).
 
The scary thing in that photo is none of the people who are with the dog look like they would be able to physically restrain it should dog go into the red zone. Why anyone needs such as large dangerous dog is beyond me.
Ego and status.

It's the only sane* reason I can think of.

*but insane on their part.
 
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Is this one of those rare GD threads where nearly everyone agrees?
Pretty sure months ago on this thread there were not agreements and people going for the 'its the owner' thing.
Which obviously it is a factor in a lot of cases, but even a decent owner can't stop these mutant ***** going berserk, there is a reason the base breed is banned

I'll simply walk the other way when out with mine and see some baboon walking one of these.
 
Pretty sure months ago on this thread there were not agreements and people going for the 'its the owner' thing.
Which obviously it is a factor in a lot of cases, but even a decent owner can't stop these mutant ***** going berserk, there is a reason the base breed is banned

I'll simply walk the other way when out with mine and see some baboon walking one of these.

That's the thing. Any dog can be aggressive. Especially with bad owners.

This dog attracts bad owners.

So you've got a dog that's stronger than most humans
Owned by people who often shouldn't have dogs.
So you have a double whammy.
 
Hilarious, some of the owners are reacting and they're exactly the sort of people you'd expect to own an XL Bully. :D


Super responsible owner who has a dog with cropped ears and gives the lead to a small child to hold... like she'll be able to control it if it does decide to run off/attack someone or something.

Just reading all the digs people are making, seems he's gone quiet now.
 
Pretty sure months ago on this thread there were not agreements and people going for the 'its the owner' thing.
Which obviously it is a factor in a lot of cases, but even a decent owner can't stop these mutant ***** going berserk, there is a reason the base breed is banned

I'll simply walk the other way when out with mine and see some baboon walking one of these.

It depends on what you consider to be a decent owner. Some would argue a decent owner wouldn't even own/want one of these dogs to begin with.

I don't think that's entirely true, there are people who take them in as rescues and treat the dog with the "respect" it requires. As in, they make sure it is under control, suitably restrained and take any necessary steps to avoid any particular dog being put in a situation where it could kick off. The same type of people who take larger dogs with behavioural problems in general.

But an average person actively seeking one of these dogs just rings alarms bells in my mind. Average person doesn't really cover it, lowest common denominator perhaps.
 
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