Does something need to be done about dogs?
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Personally, I think the problem is fatal attacks, which are generally specific breeds/ types.
American bully XL/ pitbull types are disproportionately represented in fatal attacks.
It is likely partly an owner problem.
American bully XL/ pitbull types are disproportionately represented in fatal attacks.
It is likely partly an owner problem.
Incorrect. Birth rates have dropped below sustainable levels but their populations largely continue to grow due to immigration.
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how many rude boys and roadmen do you think own a lab or a jack Russell? they don't, they get dogs that look tough, aka bullies and train them to be aggressive etc and then the dog ends up rehomed by xyz and attacks a small child. It is not the dog.
Worth noting that Jack Russell's are up there for number of attacks, including fatals.
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they're! they've got massive k9s and are aggressive in general. My mate has one and she's 16, nearly blind etc and apparently very dangerous right now. Blindness/age are the main reason for aggressiveness, she can't see and just get scared/jumped by default and the response is biting.
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The right way to be 'the alpha' is to earn the position by bringing success to the pack in the way that dogs understand success (companionship as well as the necessities of life) and by being comfortable in authority. In other words, be someone whom a dog perceives to be an excellent pack leader. Ned Stark rather than Tywin Lannister.
Isn't being against family a far left thing? All one big family or something...
Puppies being born is inevitable (unless you start a sterilisation drive), isn't it better that they remain domesticated with humans that return back to wild (which would take centuries any way).
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It absolutely isn't.
There's a reason you simply don't get mongrel dogs any more: almost every domestic dog pregnancy is planned.
I read about the one in St Helens, was an American Bully XL.
From what I read, it sounds like the owners are to blame here, because you never ever ever ever bring an adult dog (regardless of breed) back to your house (rescue, doggysit, and leave it with children. You simply can't know how it's going to react to a child, or how the child will be with the dog..
It's just a bloody stupid irresponsible thing to do.
It's funny, a lot things I've seen where somebody brings an out of control dog to a trainer, I often find myself thinking "If I was the dog, or even a kid, I'd walk all over this person" the way they behave and act, is just not condusive to being a leader.
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You really are quite hateful towards them aren't you?
What happens if you ban ownership on environmental grounds? Puppies are killed and mass sterilisation required. Effectively you conduct a mass extinction within this country of domesticated dogs.
Yep, this was what I was thinking. It was terrible and you have to check yourself for victim blaming, but the risks were so high for that scenario to unfold the way it did, if you knew anything about dogs and dog ownership it would never have got to the point of bringing the dog into the home.
The way we do it is through positive reinforcement. If they behave well they get praised, if they behave poorly we nip it in the bud before it becomes default behaviour by sharp noises to snap them out of it (off! eh! no!) or when they were pups they had time out in a crate, then when they calm down reward them for the good behaviour. We also have regular "play" time where we (and themselves) hype them up to the point where they almost lose control and then bring them right back to normality, it makes them understanding who is in charge a fun process - becomes very useful in exciting situations like going down the pub with the smells, people, attention, scraps (of food
) and other dogs.
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The problem is a combination of irresponsible ownership and a very large, powerful dog. If they owned a chihuahua, the risk of fatal attacks reduces to close to nil.
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Not on fatal attacks in the last decade or two.
Jack Russells do kill toddlers and babies. They don't kill older children or adults.
Pit bulls/ american bullies are disproportionately represented in fatal attacks.
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I think you're getting overly emotional about it, and projecting feelings on me that I simply don't have.
You're right. However it was your point that babies are inevitable and should be encouraged (as that's what the world is for apparently, it's not imo), but denying puppies were inevitable and that the world isn't for them that got my back up. No species is owed this land.