Does something need to be done about dogs?

[dowie]

I never said it was simple, nor magic. It would be a considerable undertaking[...]

You didn't need to and you're completely missing the point, that it would be a "considerable undertaking" is separate to the issue of effectiveness being rather limited regardless, your belief in that, again, still relies on magical thinking.

 

[ttaskmaster]

You didn't need to and you're completely missing the point, that it would be a "considerable undertaking" is separate to the issue of effectiveness being rather limited regardless, your belief in that, again, still relies on magical thinking.

There's no "magic" involved - This kind of influence is very real, very powerful and very effective when applied in the right ways. Many celebrities' careers hinge upon it.
Why do you think phrases like 'trial by media' exist, and why some juries are not allowed to read/watch news reports of cases they're involved in?
Look at how the news organisations influenced the outcome of Brexit, or how social media affects the stock market - Please tell me where the "magic" is in all that?

 

[SpellowHouse]

I watched the video again, this time less blurry. The guy was holding the dogs by their restraining harness, but he released one of them, so it was free to jump at the dog catcher. "Shotgun guy" shot it dead in a remarkable piece of shooting before the teeth connected. I have no doubt the handler could well have been seriously injured if "shotgun guy" hadn't been so fast and accurate.
I still do not understand why "pistol dude" opened fire, but after he did, "shotgun guy" had zero choice but to finish the poor dog off.

 

[dowie]

There's no "magic" involved - This kind of influence is very real, very powerful and very effective when applied in the right ways. Many celebrities' careers hinge upon it.

More handwaving. I'm well aware there is no magic involved, that's the point, it's just guff.

 

[ttaskmaster]

More handwaving. I'm well aware there is no magic involved, that's the point, it's just guff.

It's really not. Happens every day, right in front of your face.

 

[dowie]

It's really not. Happens every day, right in front of your face.

More handwaving...

 

[ttaskmaster]

More handwaving...

Sorry, did you want something more detailed?
Some links, some studies, some semblance of further explanation on how social engineering can be and is quite readily applied?
A long and boring explanation of exactly how and why it would be made effective?

Point out the exact elements you think are "handwaving" and I'll correct that. Tell me exactly what you want here and I'll furnish you with it in abundance.

Go ahead. I'll wait...

 

[dowie]

No one is stopping you form fleshing out a coherent argument but so far it seems to be rather vague... or some nonsense of X has *some* effect in this domain therefore lets pretend it's a magical solution here.

 

[ttaskmaster]

I never said I was being stopped. I also pretend nothing, nor claim any such "magical solution". That narrative is entirely your own imagining in order to misrepresent my argument.

You say the argument is too vague, I ask you what further details you want to hear... and so far you have come back with nothing.
Ask your questions, I'll answer them. Tell me what parts are too vague for you, I'll give you as much detail as you like. This is a wide open invitation to you, yet you seem very unconcerned with receiving the information you so desperately demand.

 

[Dis86]

No one is stopping you form fleshing out a coherent argument but so far it seems to be rather vague... or some nonsense of X has *some* effect in this domain therefore lets pretend it's a magical solution here.

He's stopping himself from doing it. As much as I can tell he literally doesn't have the ability as he's not managed to do it in a single one of his posts and cannot follow a simple line of thought or coherently respond to your questions.

 

[ttaskmaster]

He's stopping himself from doing it. As much as I can tell he literally doesn't have the ability as he's not managed to do it in a single one of his posts and cannot follow a simple line of thought or coherently respond to your questions.

I was wondering if the boyfriend was even going to show up... He's late.

 

[Dis86]

I was wondering if the boyfriend was even going to show up... He's late.

You're just jealous that you can't bag yourself a man.
Don't worry, keep trying and you'll get that length of pipe you want!

 

[ttaskmaster]

You're just jealous that you can't bag yourself a man.
Don't worry, keep trying and you'll get that length of pipe you want!

Oh, actually talking to me now? That's a switch in tactics...
How can I be jealous of something you yourself haven't managed, though? Consensually, I mean... It doesn't count when you have to use Benzos.

Good tip about the pipe, though - I always prefer to learn from other people's misfortunes... and next time you're feeling so inclined, remember we do also sell conduit in smaller diameters, including ribbed variants. I'll even give you a forum discount!

 

[robfosters]

So it turns out that the woman who was killed by the dogs she was walking in a park was actually killed by one dog, her own American Bully XL. He’s the only dog present who has been destroyed.

Now I’m a big dog supporter, as is evident on here, and hate banning breeds, but there is obviously something seriously wrong with these dogs psychologically. They’re turning out responsible for nearly every dog death lately. Perhaps it would be best for all if they were banned.

But leave my lovely staffies alone!

 

[Alice In Wonderland]

So it turns out that the woman who was killed by the dogs she was walking in a park was actually killed by one dog, her own American Bully XL. He’s the only dog present who has been destroyed.

Now I’m a big dog supporter, as is evident on here, and hate banning breeds, but there is obviously something seriously wrong with these dogs psychologically. They’re turning out responsible for nearly every dog death lately. Perhaps it would be best for all if they were banned.

But leave my lovely staffies alone!

The American Bully X large do look really scary and muscular and huge.

I'm a lover of dogs but even I'd be afraid of coming across one!

Thankfully there aren't any where I am but a couple of people have large dogs that they can barely control, which does make me feel nervous.

 

[Chris Wilson]

These American Bully X things are a way of getting something as near to an American Pit Bull Terrier as people can in the UK and remain inside the Dangerous Dogs act. Bred by back street breeders for a big profit they are interbred and very likely their progeny are mentally unstable as a result. That's apart from the health issues involved.

Many are given steroids for abnormal muscle development, and the psychological effects of those substances on a huge dog can only be imagined. So it's no surprise the combination of a breed of huge drugged up dogs that's the progeny of their blood relatives, in the hands of likely similar owners are causing disproportionate trouble!

 

[Felon]

Those bully XLs are terrifying, I have experience with Mastiffs, (Bullmastiffs, English Mastiffs, Cane Corsos and Dogue De Bordeaux) and I find them wonderfully chilled and relaxing animals to be around.

But I'm properly scared of XLs... A guy on our fishing syndicate has one, and it's absolutely gigantic - it's also got that terrier behaviour to it, it's a bit hyper and just generally unsettling to be around..

I also don't think many people realise how gigantic they are, they're like the size of a damn chest-freezer - absolutely huge.

(Reference picture from the internet)

I just can't see any scenaro where it makes sense to own such a thing, they have no pedigree, no history, no use as a working dog and too big and nasty to be a pet.

 

[StriderX]

The scenario of owning one is the same as owning any big dog that looks like it ought to be a hunting aid.

Owner is dumb and needs to feel like they have power over something that makes them look 'alpha'. Only problem with this is that the owner is actually incredibly weak (per the dog) and the dog already knows that so at any point they lose control it's as likely to go after them than anyone else.

 

[Alice In Wonderland]

These American Bully X things are a way of getting something as near to an American Pit Bull Terrier as people can in the UK and remain inside the Dangerous Dogs act. Bred by back street breeders for a big profit they are interbred and very likely their progeny are mentally unstable as a result. That's apart from the health issues involved.

Many are given steroids for abnormal muscle development, and the psychological effects of those substances on a huge dog can only be imagined. So it's no surprise the combination of a breed of huge drugged up dogs that's the progeny of their blood relatives, in the hands of likely similar owners are causing disproportionate trouble!

Poor things to be given extra steroids to beef up.

 

[gingergundog]

Didn't know about the steroids, what the hell is wrong with people?!

There are a couple near me, absolute units and don't look too dissimilar to the owners. Read the info on these dogs and apparently they are gentle friendly companion dogs supposedly less aggressive than the APBT, that worked out well.