You realise that's different to banning a breed/type of dog right?
Does something need to be done about dogs?
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You realise that's different to banning a breed/type of dog right?
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You do realise that none of us were referring to breed banning at this point in the conversation... right?
You do also realise that my sarky comment about a ban on ownership was in response to a criminal already banned from ownership and how such laws were ineffective... right?
Come on, man, You used to be a far better troll than this. What's up with you lately?
Are you sick, or something? Problems at home? Wife left you coz you're going bald?
Since when did a golden retriver or a yorkie savage someone?
I'll give you a clue... never.
Chavs with untrained attack dogs are the propblem. Pit bull /staffie type dogs are bread to be highly agressive with a high prey drive.
They are also only generally owned by chavs, presumably as a status symbol or to cause fear in others.
It's really a non story. The dogs allegedly attacked some woman, the police were called.
and then attacked the police and were shot dead. They would have been 'put to sleep' anyway, so the nature of the dogs deaths are not really rellevant.
I'll give you a clue... never.
Chavs with untrained attack dogs are the propblem. Pit bull /staffie type dogs are bread to be highly agressive with a high prey drive.
They are also only generally owned by chavs, presumably as a status symbol or to cause fear in others.
It's really a non story. The dogs allegedly attacked some woman, the police were called.
and then attacked the police and were shot dead. They would have been 'put to sleep' anyway, so the nature of the dogs deaths are not really rellevant.
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May 2022...
Man 'too scared to leave home' after mauling by Golden Retriever in Scots park
Jamie Nicholson had been walking through Jock Stein Centre Park in Hamilton, South Lanarkshire, before the hound set upon him, tearing chunks from his hand.
www.dailyrecord.co.uk
Supposedly the GR has racked up an additional 11 attacks in 30 years (1984-2014), including 3 kills and 7 maimings.
Not much on Yorkies, but a Dachshund mauled a child:
Oh you... 
You almost had me but the retriver attacked a 'Rottador' Labrador X Rottweiler? Labs and rotties have high prey drive, they are hunting dogs. They require a LOT of excercise and stimulation, along with a lot of training to keep them in check.
They are not suited for council houses with heroin addict parents, for example.
A retriver will protect it's family/owner... but not often, they are very passive dogs considering thier size.
You almost had me but the retriver attacked a 'Rottador' Labrador X Rottweiler? Labs and rotties have high prey drive, they are hunting dogs. They require a LOT of excercise and stimulation, along with a lot of training to keep them in check.
They are not suited for council houses with heroin addict parents, for example.
A retriver will protect it's family/owner... but not often, they are very passive dogs considering thier size.
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Ban them all, no one needs to own one, they were only designed to kill... etc. etc.
@ttaskmaster when he learns a joyrider was already banned from driving... what's the point in banning people from driving, such laws are ineffective, we should just wave our hands and magically create social pressure to stop speeding, drink driving, car theft etc..
Why even have criminal law? Any time a criminal is arrested and we learn he had already broken some law it just shows that laws and rules are pointless right?
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The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is generally not bred to be aggressive and certainly all the ones I have interacted with have been lovely. I wouldn't say they are only generally owned by chavs either, yes you will get some who are owned by scummy/stupid people but its not my experience.
Rottweilers are typically a working breed rather than hunting type like Hound or Gundog etc. A Rottador sounds like a nice X and no reason why it should be unsuitable provided its well trained and socialised.Oh you...
You almost had me but the retriver attacked a 'Rottador' Labrador X Rottweiler? Labs and rotties have high prey drive, they are hunting dogs. They require a LOT of excercise and stimulation, along with a lot of training to keep them in check.
They are not suited for council houses with heroin addict parents, for example.
A retriver will protect it's family/owner... but not often, they are very passive dogs considering thier size.
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The GR initially attacked a dog, yes, at which point that dog's owner stepped in and then the GR attacked the owner, as evidenced by the obviously human body showing wounds in the photos.Oh you...
You almost had me but the retriver attacked a 'Rottador' Labrador X Rottweiler?
Yes, GRs are pretty low on the attack stats tables, but they have attacked, have savaged and have killed.
The conversation is about stopping such incidents from happening.
The laws in place have clearly not stopped this from happening, and so far most suggestions have been implementing more laws that essentially replicate the existing laws.
More laws only treat the symptoms after the event, instead of eliminating the cause and preventing the incidents.
Honestly, you were doing better when you were throwing a single data table around...
Yes... whoosh, that's self evident and already addressed in the previous reply.
Did you know that people get murdered in the UK even though murder is illegal? OMG right?
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It's illegal??!!
Well, that's not good, eh... We'd best do something to stop that. How about we make it even more illegal, and then ban murder. That'll do it, right?
If that doesn't do it, you could always put the criminals on Double Secret Probation...
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It can be done... and quite easily if governments put as much effort into it as, say, making their populations stand outside and clap like circus sea-lions every Thursday.
The political science behind social engineering is nothing new, and neither are things like marketing, or media roles in shaping social and cultural constructs - Changing people's way of thinking about certain behaviours is one of the key factors in laws that prohibit that behaviour. Otherwise you're just introducing a whole bunch of laws that they'll just ignore.
People get status dogs because they think it's cool. You have to make it very uncool.
More handwaving arguments... you mention covid but if it were that simple and the nudge team could just wave a magic wand then we'd have not needed any new legislation during Covid...
You're just being a bit naive re: the limitations of such an approach. It's not that there's anything wrong with discouraging the ownership of status dogs but rather that's a bad argument if you're completely reliant on it, legislation has a part to play here too.
You're just being a bit naive re: the limitations of such an approach. It's not that there's anything wrong with discouraging the ownership of status dogs but rather that's a bad argument if you're completely reliant on it, legislation has a part to play here too.
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I never said it was simple, nor magic. It would be a considerable undertaking, requiring co-ordination and co-operation of many different entities, from MPs to Police, corporations, TV and social media... and for fewer than an average 10 deaths a year, I highly doubt it'd be high on anyone's priority list.
However, it is that straightforward and has been done, to varying degrees of engagement, for many other issues. There is a plethora of studies documenting media influences on behaviour, perception, food choices, mental health, body image, fashion trends, politics, sexuality and so on.
'Discourage' is such a weak-sounding word... as if we'd succeed just by saying, "Oh go on, please? After all it is a lovely day, pretty clouds, trees, birds, etc"... You want something more along the lines of inhibiting such behaviour, and instilling utter revulsion at the idea of needing a status dog.
But either did I say this was the element to be relied upon. You will note above where I stated, "Changing people's way of thinking about certain behaviours is one of the key factors in laws that prohibit that behaviour" - My issue is that laws are being enacted without this and other essential factors, such as enforcement.
The law can punish the criminals and it can compensate the victims, but if it lacks buy-in from the people whose behaviour it concerns then it will not prevent the crimes.