Dog 'Attack' Advice Request

Yeah definitely stop communicating with her as you could say something which could be used against you.

Make sure you have the facts straight if it comes to it that her dog was the one pestering you and off the lead, etc.

Similar stuff to this annoys me quite a bit when a dog owner can't see their animal isn't very happy with someone (or someone else isn't comfortable with the attention from the dog) - they seem blinded because their dog is always so well behaved around people the dog knows and don't seem to recognise or want to understand when the dog doesn't play so nice with someone new.
 
Hive said:
Long time lurker here. I can't remember the last time I ever made a thead! Looking for some unbiased feedback, as I am aware of my own bias.

I was in our local park playing football with my 6 year old daughter and 10 year old son, as best as one can with my dog, Kenji on the lead. Kenji is a 13 year old Shiba Inu (cue all the doge memes). The park was quite busy and there were muliple dogs running around.

A black dog of a breed unknown to me, similar size to Kenji, ran over towards our ball and Kenji pulled on the lead, in 'defence mode'. Owner came and got her dog away. Soon after, the dog ran over again for our ball but my son managed to pick it up in time and the dog ran off again.

Third occasion the dog ran over, I saw it coming and tried to beat it to the ball. Failed. Dog grabbed the ball with its mouth to pick it up and Kenji, still on lead, got in range and snapped at the other dog. Other dog squealed and ran away. It was all but a two second altercation.

As it transpires, the owner of this dog knows my wife and has messaged her complaining her dog is injured, with scratches on its face. She is taking it to the vet and demanding we cover the cost and muzzle Kenji.

The other dog at no point, in my eyes, showed any aggression, I believe it was only after our football. Kenji was the only one being aggressive. I have to concede that. He can be nervously aggressive to other dogs, which is why I have him on the lead. He will not have been happy at this dog interfering with our ball. But on the basis the other owner at no point had control of her dog, my current stance is she can 'do one' in respect to covering their vet bills.

I am also not keen on muzzling dogs. He'd hate it and would make him feel even more vulnerable when unleashed dogs run over. This can't be a rare occurance so I thought I'd ask for opinions, please :)
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I have seen various points raised here. And I think it is not exactly black and white. I know that the owner clearly didn't have control of her dog. Your dog did but then got physically aggressive. And I think that muddles the waters.

Maybe try to mend fences with the owner - and try to avoid the two dogs either at different places or at list avoiding the different times. The physical damage to the other dog? You may do well to pay the cost unless it it is pretty much superficial.

That's my two cents.
 
Hive said:
Long time lurker here. I can't remember the last time I ever made a thead! Looking for some unbiased feedback, as I am aware of my own bias.

I was in our local park playing football with my 6 year old daughter and 10 year old son, as best as one can with my dog, Kenji on the lead. Kenji is a 13 year old Shiba Inu (cue all the doge memes). The park was quite busy and there were muliple dogs running around.

A black dog of a breed unknown to me, similar size to Kenji, ran over towards our ball and Kenji pulled on the lead, in 'defence mode'. Owner came and got her dog away. Soon after, the dog ran over again for our ball but my son managed to pick it up in time and the dog ran off again.

Third occasion the dog ran over, I saw it coming and tried to beat it to the ball. Failed. Dog grabbed the ball with its mouth to pick it up and Kenji, still on lead, got in range and snapped at the other dog. Other dog squealed and ran away. It was all but a two second altercation.

As it transpires, the owner of this dog knows my wife and has messaged her complaining her dog is injured, with scratches on its face. She is taking it to the vet and demanding we cover the cost and muzzle Kenji.

The other dog at no point, in my eyes, showed any aggression, I believe it was only after our football. Kenji was the only one being aggressive. I have to concede that. He can be nervously aggressive to other dogs, which is why I have him on the lead. He will not have been happy at this dog interfering with our ball. But on the basis the other owner at no point had control of her dog, my current stance is she can 'do one' in respect to covering their vet bills.

I am also not keen on muzzling dogs. He'd hate it and would make him feel even more vulnerable when unleashed dogs run over. This can't be a rare occurance so I thought I'd ask for opinions, please :)
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It's a little complicated as a situation, because the second dog probably wasn't at fault wanting to play with the ball, but your dog also reacted out of fear and I guess didn't have any intention to harm the other dog. I'd say maybe offer to pay half of the cost of the veterinary to the other dog owner and see if he accepts. It would be a compromise and everybody could be happy with it.
 
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We have a dog, a small PatterJack (Patterdale and Jack Russell cross). Soft as anything but can be protective around us, and for this reason we keep her on the lead in any built up areas. There's a good chance she'd react the same if another dog repeatedly approached so we keep her under control, as were you.

I agree with the general consensus on here, the other owner was quite clearly allowing their dog to roam free without any control, and as a consequence is fully responsible for what happened. Do not admit any liability nor offer to help with any costs. To let a dog roam free an owner needs to be confident on recall and that the dog will listen, so it looks like the other owner has failed miserably on this part. I may have had a different opinion if your dog had gone on a full blown kill streak, but from what I've read this isn't the case, your dog twice told the other one to go away before finally giving a more firm, but what appears to be a controlled telling off without any excess aggresion.


And this GD style:

wildman said:
put some of your dogs crap through her letter box ?
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francisbaud said:
It's a little complicated as a situation, because the second dog probably wasn't at fault wanting to play with the ball, but your dog also reacted out of fear and I guess didn't have any intention to harm the other dog. I'd say maybe offer to pay half of the cost of the veterinary to the other dog owner and see if he accepts. It would be a compromise and everybody could be happy with it.
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Depends how much of a douchebag the other person is.

If you volunteer any amount of responsibility and the other person isn't satisfied they can use that against you.
 
I'm not a dog person but I think you have done nothing wrong, yours was on a lead as they should be if you 100% can't guarantee then running off. Hers wasn't and did so she wasn't in control of her animal.

I'd reply along the lines of your dog was just defending itself from an out of control dog that wasn't on a lead.
 
hurfdurf said:
lol the police aren’t going to touch this you melt.
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Wrong.

If anyone, regardless of the situation, feels threatened by a dog, they can absolutely call the police and as such, the police would have to follow up the matter. It may not amount to anything, but they are duty bound to investigate.

Although it sounds like the OP has been reasonable, including their dogs actions, if you ignore the woman and she feels you have a dangerous dog, for example “It bit my dog, so could bite a human” and has a vets report to backup that her dog was bitten then this situation could escalate.

There is a burden of proof on both sides regarding who’s dog wasn’t on/off the lead so this needs to be carefully managed if there are no witnesses (or willing witnesses).

Is there a reason you didn’t approach the owner, explain the situation and ask/insist they control their animal?

If not managed properly, this has the potential to escalate. Tread carefully OP.

(Multiple dog owner here, who has worked with a police dog trainer on several occasions.)
 
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Longbow said:
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As good as that is, shouldn't that be Tyson really?

With regards to the OP, tell her to do one. If you let your dog off the lead and it gets in trouble (especially with a dog on a lead and especially when its pushed its luck 3 times) then thats on you.

If your dog went up to someone who had been attacked by a dog and was petrified of them and they gave it a kick, would you expect them to pay the vets bill. I'm not of the view that all dogs should be on a lead at all times as I think its unfair on the dog but when its off the lead, you are responsible for its behaviour and what happens to it. If it attacks another dog, thats on you. If it gets in trouble with another dog that is on a lead, thats on you. If it gets in trouble with another dog thats off lead then the waters are somewhat muddied.
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HoneyBadger said:
Wrong.

If anyone, regardless of the situation, feels threatened by a dog, they can absolutely call the police and as such, the police would have to follow up the matter. It may not amount to anything, but they are duty bound to investigate.

Although it sounds like the OP has been reasonable, including their dogs actions, if you ignore the woman and she feels you have a dangerous dog, for example “It bit my dog, so could bite a human” and has a vets report to backup that her dog was bitten then this situation could escalate.

There is a burden of proof on both sides regarding who’s dog wasn’t on/off the lead so this needs to be carefully managed if there are no witnesses (or willing witnesses).

Is there a reason you didn’t approach the owner, explain the situation and ask/insist they control their animal?

If not managed properly, this has the potential to escalate. Tread carefully OP.

(Multiple dog owner here, who has worked with a police dog trainer on several occasions.)
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Through all your experience, you haven’t learnt the basics which is what OP experienced.

Dog on dog crime is not investigated by the police. Simple. So no, I’m not wrong, you are.

Source : https://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/report/dog-stray-attack-accident/

The police themselves state on their website “The police will not deal with an attack by a dog on another dog.” So wind your neck in.


Yes if a person is threatened by a dog, it will be, but that’s not what happened with OP.

One of my partners is a police officer and she says call 101 and verify it, the act and legislation covers dogs dangerously out of control. OP’s wasn’t, if anything the other dog was out of control, but not dangerously so.

You’ve framed me as being wrong my making absurd assumptions that this woman is going to

a) claim op’s dog was out of control.
b) that some how a vets report to showing your dog was bitten holds any more grounds for the police than simply saying your dog was bitten.

Yes she could lie and start telling porkies, but then OP could easily lie and have 3 witnesses appear out of no where. Police won’t be touching this one with a barge pole.
 
hurfdurf said:
Through all your experience, you haven’t learnt the basics which is what OP experienced.

Dog on dog crime is not investigated by the police. Simple. So no, I’m not wrong, you are.

Source : https://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/report/dog-stray-attack-accident/

The police themselves state on their website “The police will not deal with an attack by a dog on another dog.” So wind your neck in.


Yes if a person is threatened by a dog, it will be, but that’s not what happened with OP.

One of my partners is a police officer and she says call 101 and verify it, the act and legislation covers dogs dangerously out of control. OP’s wasn’t, if anything the other dog was out of control, but not dangerously so.

You’ve framed me as being wrong my making absurd assumptions that this woman is going to

a) claim op’s dog was out of control.
b) that some how a vets report to showing your dog was bitten holds any more grounds for the police than simply saying your dog was bitten.

Yes she could lie and start telling porkies, but then OP could easily lie and have 3 witnesses appear out of no where. Police won’t be touching this one with a barge pole.
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One of your partners? :eek: Lucky boy...
 
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