Dog issue (Staffie)

digipeep said:
What a load of ****. The only dogs I've ever had attack my dog are Bull breeds.

Sick and tired of people defending Staffies.

Any Staffie owners on here you should be ashamed. Do the decent thing and take your dog to the vet and have it put down. The rest of us dog owners don't want this breed tarnishing us.
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LOL.

I think you will find most dog owners realise that BSL is crazy talk.

I don't own a staffie. I do own a Border Collie. I don't support BSL and I certainly do not think your comments are representative of the vast majority of dog owners. I would say that telling staffie owners to go and put their dogs to sleep is just cruel. Starting to think you might just be trolling the thread with that kind of BS tbh.
 
No I am not trolling and I don't believe you for one minute that you own a collie rather than this disgusting breed of dog. You seem rather defensive of this breed.

If you saw the injuries my dog took from a Staffie you'd change your mind.

But I suspect you rather enjoy owning a Staffie.
 
Even if the dogs were all bad dogs then the correct thing to do would be to neuter them rather than put them to sleep. I don't believe that they're more dangerous than other breeds of dogs.
 
I would not take the chance. It may be irrational or overly cautious, but when it comes to your kids safety, there is no such thing as over cautious.
 
digipeep said:
No I am not trolling and I don't believe you for one minute that you own a collie rather than this disgusting breed of dog. You seem rather defensive of this breed.

If you saw the injuries my dog took from a Staffie you'd change your mind.

But I suspect you rather enjoy owning a Staffie.
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No, you are right, I just made up that I have a BC.

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I am defensive of the BS people spout around ALL breeds that are presecuted under BSL, like you are doing now, because it is nonsense. You are cleary trolling through your comments like "But I suspect you rather enjoy owning a Staffie".

Pegare - BSL stands for Breed Specific Legislation, which is what some loonhead campaigners came up with for government to put specific laws in place only relating to specific breeds of dog, because they are too scarred to come up with a solution to the REAL problem, which is the owners.
 
BDEE said:
No, you are right, I just made up that I have a BC.

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I am defensive of the BS people spout around ALL breeds that are presecuted under BSL, like you are doing now, because it is nonsense. You are cleary trolling through your comments like "But I suspect you rather enjoy owning a Staffie".

Pegare - BSL stands for Breed Specific Legislation, which is what some loonhead campaigners came up with for government to put specific laws in place only relating to specific breeds of dog, because they are too scarred to come up with a solution to the REAL problem, which is the owners.
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ah, thought it was something like that. but indeed, the owners are the real problem, but i don't think there would be any effective way of dealing with the owners.
 
pegare said:
ah, thought it was something like that. but indeed, the owners are the real problem, but i don't think there would be any effective way of dealing with the owners.
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Maybe we should ask digipeep. Maybe the owners should all be put down too?
 
digipeep said:
No I am not trolling and I don't believe you for one minute that you own a collie rather than this disgusting breed of dog. You seem rather defensive of this breed.

If you saw the injuries my dog took from a Staffie you'd change your mind.

But I suspect you rather enjoy owning a Staffie.
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While staffies are not exactly the safest breed of dog, the problem is the owners but not necessarily (tho it often is) the way people see it (i.e. badly trained dogs) but the pig headed naive view that staffies, pitbulls, etc. are just like any other breed and its all down to training... ignoring the history/genetics of the breed and thats where the real danger lies because they are blind to the problem, ignore the symptoms, until it happens.

Staffies are usually bred with intelligence being one of the attributes looked for so they are more responsive to training than say american pitbulls generally and some of them have a history of being bred as a family dog and are much safer around children... however they are extremely dangerous to and can do real damage and be very hard to control if something does set them off - far more than is typical with other breeds so I'd be extremely cautious of having one around young children that it hasn't been brought up with.
 
BDEE said:
What utter tosh.

Exactly the kind of uneducated BS which MASKS the fact that dog attacks / bites are not just confined to the "bull" breeds. I don't hold it against you, you have been conditioned by the press.

Until the press and government stop this nonsense about breed specific legislation and do something about irrespnsible owners, bites / attacks will continue to happen from all breeds of dog which have been incorrectly brought up as puppies or have owners that have brought them up to be "hard" / agressive. The fact that chavscum choose Staffies is not the breeds fault.


And by the way, this is from someone who doesn't own a staffie, but rather from someone who can see that BSL is a load of nonsense and it is the owners that need sorting out, not a "culling" of a specific breed of dog, which is actually soft as pig muck when correctly brought up.
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This is the sort of attitude that leads to these attacks happening half the time... most breeds of dog even when upset can be intimidated into standing down, a lot of breeds are easier to wrestle with should it come to it and many will even realise they've done something wrong after the first bite and let go...

Try intimidating an american pitbull into standing down once its got its teeth into something...........
 
I remember one of my sisters friends bringing her 18 month old son round once and I was worried about my Staffy with him. Turned out to be no bother as our dog just wandered up to him to say hello, the kid screamed and ran away. The dog just looked at me as if to say "wth?" and lay down.

I still wouldn't leave any dog alone with any child though.

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digipeep said:
What a load of ****. The only dogs I've ever had attack my dog are Bull breeds.

Sick and tired of people defending Staffies.

Any Staffie owners on here you should be ashamed. Do the decent thing and take your dog to the vet and have it put down. The rest of us dog owners don't want this breed tarnishing us.
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I'll take the suspension for this, **** off. Why the hell should I have one of the most loyal dogs I have ever owned put down? The other month my 27kg staffy was attacked by a Jack Russell, my dog ended up turning round in circles and looking to my sister to help him out. So by that respect should all Jack Russells be banned.
 
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Rarely am I moved to post on threads like this, but some of these ill informed and idiotic comments outrage me :mad:

I grew up with a Staffie (for 16 years) and now own one myself (6 years old). I'm 30 years old, so you can see I know enough about living with the breed. Words cannot describe how affectionate and loyal this breed can be. Excitable yes, but purely as they are a person's dog, they adore people.

As an owner, its easily identifiable who are dog owners and who not, especially current or previous owners of Staffies. A previous/exisiting owner will bend straight down on to their knees to my dog and let him lick them and get all excited, they trust him immediately. Even some other dog owners are quick to trust. It's only those fools who've never owned a dog who are quick to run a mile at even the sight of him, immediately drawing from memory a million and one ill informed Daily Mail articles.

Simply search on Youtube for "Nanny Dog". They're called such a name for a reason.

Good on you Wossi and the other supporters.
 
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Rroff said:
This is the sort of attitude that leads to these attacks happening half the time... most breeds of dog even when upset can be intimidated into standing down, a lot of breeds are easier to wrestle with should it come to it and many will even realise they've done something wrong after the first bite and let go...

Try intimidating an american pitbull into standing down once its got its teeth into something...........
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I understand your point, however I disagree with your conclusion.

BSL takes the focus away from the general problem. It means that bites and attacks from most other breeds of dog hardly get any press attention, or any attention for that matter. All the press and campaigners are interested in is bull breeds, so all those other hundreds of bites go unnoticed. Hence the actualy problem is not addressed. There was a good one a month or two back when the BBC reported "The dog MAY HAVE BEEN a staffie type". Sensationalism at its best, they didn't even know what type of dog it was, but felt the need to get the attention on the article by using staffie in it.

I am fully aware that the breed of dog I have is notorious for nipping kids because of its herding nature. I have a 3 year old who loves him to bits and he is great with her, but I would never allow them to be alone together. Nor would I allow my dog to be alone with any other kids. Its because I am responsible with him. It would be the same if he were a Staff, whippet, grey, westie, lab, whatever. If all owners were responsible it matters not what genetic makeup the dog has, as it would never be in the position of being able to do damage.

One final point.

For a couple of years I worked as a volunteer kennel hand in a rescue centre. About 80% of the dogs we had were staffie or staffie type dogs. The reason - All the chavscum who brought/bred them because they wanted a "hard" dog, then when they realised they had got something soft as muck they ditched them. The reality is the vast majority are not dangerous, only a small few, just like any breed. Its just so sad that they get a bad name from the press and get ditched by people when they realise they are not as hard as the press makes out. Vicious circle.
 
Like it or not, while any breed can bite, some are far more likely to do considerable damage than others....by their very breeding Bull-Terriers etc are in that respect more dangerous than many other breeds.....that doesn't mean to say that they are any more likely to attack or be misbehaved than any other breed, only that the consequences can be be more severe if they do......

For this reason alone it is wise to be cautious when mixing dogs with children, especially strange dogs with strange(r) children.....and considering the relative consequences if the inconceivable does in fact happen.
 
Em3bbs said:
If anything, it's this kind of attitude that worries me. You're the type of dog owner that is quoted in the paper saying "He never did anything like this before.".

You're dealing with an animal, not a small human.
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We brought my dog up properly. He has had little children jump on him, tug his hair and all sorts and he just sits there for them. He pretty much guards children. We obviously don't leave him alone around very young children because that is just stupid but he would never do anything to them anyway. You can bring a dog up to be a far nicer creature than you can a child. Just like any child, if you don't bring them up properly they grow into being little poo heads ;).

Yes we are dealing with an animal. An animal that shows a far greater respect to humans than other humans do and one who is far more loyal and loving. Trained dogs never even consider attacking a human unless they have been brought up badly or are a bad and aggressive breed. Though it seems that thuggish people are attracted to thuggish dog breeds so it's kind of hard to tell who's to blame.
 
From 2010:

Highlighted are the "usual suspects" for dog bites/attacks and as you can see Bull Mastiff are pretty uncommon.

Akita 48
Akita mix 1
Akita/chow 3
Akita/lab 1
Akita/terrier 2
Airedale/boxer 1
Airedale 1
Australian blue heeler 3
Australian cattle dog 1
Australian shepherd 6
Basset/GSD mix 1
Beagle 2
Belgian shepherd 4
Blue heeler 2
Border collie 1
Briard 2
Brittany spaniel 4
Bulldog (American) 4
Bulldog (English) 16
Bull mastiff (Presa Canario) 30
Bull mastiff/German shepherd 2
Buff mastiff/Rottweiler 1
Boxer 31
Boxer mix 1
Cane Corso 4
Catahoula 3
Chow 49
Chow/husky mix 2
Chow/Labrador mix 4
Chox mix (other) 2
Cocker spaniel 1
Collie 3
Collie/retriever mix 1
Coonhound 1
Dalmatian 3
Dalmatian/Akita mix 1
Dauschund 2
Doberman 11
Doge de Bordeaux 2
East Highland terrier 1
Fila Brasiero 1
German shepherd 63
German shepherd mix 31
German shepherd/husky mix 4
Golden retriever 6
Great Dane 24
Great Pyranees 1
Greyhound 1
Husky 39
Husky/Malamute mix 2
Husky/Labrador mix 1
Jack Russell terrier 2
Labrador 26
Labrador mix 10
Labrador/boxer mix 1
Lab-Doberman 1
Lab-St. Bernard 1
Malamute 8
Mastiff 16
Norwegian elkhound 1
Pit bull terrier 1110
Pit bull boxer mix 5
Pit bull/chow mix 5
Pit bull/Doberman/GSD/Lab 2
Pit bull/GSD mix 1
Pit bull/Lab mix 15
Pit bull/Rott. mix 39
Pit bull/Sheltie mix 1
Pit bull/Weimaraner mix 1
Pit mix unknown 3
Pointer mix 1
Pomeranian 1
Poodle 2
Pug 1
Pug/Rottweiler mix 2
Queensland heeler 3
Rottweiler 409
Rottweiler/chow mix 1
Rottweiler/GSD mix 13
Rottweiler/Labrador 7
Russian terrier 1
Saint Bernard 6
Sharpei 4
Sharpei/Rottweiler 2
Sharpei/unknown mix 1
Sharpei/Labrador 1
Springer spaniel 3
Tosa 1
Weimaeaner 1
Wheaten terrier 2
Wolf hybrid 71
Total 2209
 
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