Dog Walking Rant

dirtydog · 4 Apr 2007 at 11:01

Scarfacé said:
I personally hate it when I'm out and someone's smelly dog will come over and start jumping all over me.

Yep me too. I don't make any secret of it to the owner that I don't like it either.

Samtheman1k · 4 Apr 2007 at 11:03

Third Opinion said:
I tried to explain to her the dog was use to children and people and certainly not dangerous.

I'm sure that's what Kiel Simpson said too, before his dog mauled Ellie Lawrenson. :rolleyes:

FirebarUK · 4 Apr 2007 at 11:04

I think unfortunately those people who DON'T train their dogs, and whose dogs do run up to children (and adults!) and cause trouble spoil it for many

I admire you for actually training your dog rather than letting it do whatever it wants.

If you get a Dog, you should DEFINATELY train it. I aim to get a Belgian Sheepdog thingy or a Golden Retriever and it will be fully trained so I don't need to have it on a lead. That's what my Wife did with her previous dog, proper training = no need for a lead imo.

MNuTz · 4 Apr 2007 at 11:04

dirtydog said:
In fact I suspect that all of those owners whose 'harmless' dogs maul someone are exactly the same as yourself.

if all dog owners where like me then there wouldnt be any mauling, or dogs in homes. Please do not compare me to people that:

Buy dogs for security reason.
Buy dogs purely because they look mean.
Buy dogs for a hard image.
Mistreat dogs.
Train dogs to fight.
Do not spend time with their dogs.
let my dogs run around free without supervision.

Come round and see my dogs for yourself, you judge!

Its crap, you cannot put all dog owners in one group. I care for my dogs, they are well fed, well exercised and are a part of my family. If for one second i thought that a dog was becoming dangerous, it would be put down. I would never take the risk, i would never see an innocent person hurt because i loved my dogs too much to have the best thing done.

its all about being a resposible owner. As i said, dogs do not just 'snap', there are always warning signs. It just depends if the owner cares enough for the dog to notice them.

EDIT: On a side note, we are trying for our first child, i wouldnt bring the kid home if i thought that the dogs where a risk. They would be rehomed before her due date.

Third Opinion · 4 Apr 2007 at 11:06

Samtheman1k said:
I'm sure that's what Kiel Simpson said too, before his dog mauled Ellie Lawrenson.

That was a Pit Bull terrier, a banned dog breed for fighting. Hardly suitable round small children unsupervised.

dirtydog · 4 Apr 2007 at 11:06

MNuTz said:
if all dog owners where like me then there wouldnt be any mauling, or dogs in homes. Please do not compare me to people that:

Buy dogs for security reason.
Buy dogs purely because they look mean.
Buy dogs for a hard image.
Mistreat dogs.
Train dogs to fight.
Do not spend time with their dogs.
let my dogs run around free without supervision.

Come round and see my dogs for yourself, you judge!

Its crap, you cannot put all dog owners in one group. I care for my dogs, they are well fed, well exercised and are a part of my family. If for one second i thought that a dog was becoming dangerous, it would be put down. I would never take the risk, i would never see an innocent person hurt because i loved my dogs too much to have the best thing done.

its all about being a resposible owner. As i said, dogs do not just 'snap', there are always warning signs. It just depends if the owner cares enough for the dog to notice them.

From what I have read and heard, owners precisely like yourself have had their dogs turn nasty without warning. You obviously believe that it is impossible that it could happen with you. Such complacency and arrogance is dangerous.

AtreuS · 4 Apr 2007 at 11:08

FirebarUK said:
I think unfortunately those people who DON'T train their dogs, and whose dogs do run up to children (and adults!) and cause trouble spoil it for many
I admire you for actually training your dog rather than letting it do whatever it wants.

If you get a Dog, you should DEFINATELY train it. I aim to get a Belgian Sheepdog thingy or a Golden Retriever and it will be fully trained so I don't need to have it on a lead. That's what my Wife did with her previous dog, proper training = no need for a lead imo.

I agree... both my dogs will instantly stop and return when i make the noise i trained them to respond to. Ive had them do this in all manner or situations... playing with other dogs, running after their own ball, even when my GF was up the road with a noisy ball and some food! they ran across to her and i used the command. They stopped like a brick had hit em and came back pronto!. Every dog owner should be able to get their dog to come instantly to them with a single command. If you cant then you should never let it off the lead really in a public place. An untrained dog is unpredictable.

MNuTz · 4 Apr 2007 at 11:10

dirtydog said:
From what I have read and heard, owners precisely like yourself have had their dogs turn nasty without warning. You obviously believe that it is impossible that it could happen with you. Such complacency and arrogance is dangerous.

Your not a dog owner so you know diddly squat about it mate, from what you have read and heard means nothing. You dont seem to have any first hand experience so i dont hold any value in your posts.

You read whatever the media wants you too, and youve heard gossip/talk that has been passed from person to person. And again, would someone admit that their dogs had shown signs of turning? No because then you would find yourself in big touble in court.

I will stick with my first hand experience thanks.

And if you read back over my posts, you will see that im neither complacent nor arrogant, i do take the neccessary precautions with my dogs. It doesnt matter how long youve had a dog, you must always be wary with new siutations. Its part of being a responsible owner.

AtreuS said:
Every dog owner should be able to get their dog to come instantly to them with a single command. If you cant then you should never let it off the lead really in a public place.

I cannot get my dogs to do this, everything else they will do, but i never let them off their leads in public places puerly because i cannot get them to return to me when called. They are just too interested in everything else!

Rikk · 4 Apr 2007 at 11:11

I cycle over by a local lake, 5 times now in 4 months I've been chased and attacked by dogs who "woulnd't hurt a fly", "is harmless and having fun", "likes to chase things" according to their owners.

Luckily for some reason most dogs like to attack from your right so four of them got a mouthfull of fibreglass from my artifical leg.

Sorry to say but I think dogs should be on a lead whenever out in public.

And yes I do have a dog who is kept on a lead (extending one) and who has also been attacked several times by dogs just running around.

AtreuS · 4 Apr 2007 at 11:12

dirtydog said:
From what I have read and heard, owners precisely like yourself have had their dogs turn nasty without warning. You obviously believe that it is impossible that it could happen with you. Such complacency and arrogance is dangerous.

Im sure you would find that there is always a reason why a dog turns nasty. Sometimes the owners are so daft they simply dont see a reason and just blame the dog. I trust my 2 dogs 100% but when we have visitors with kids i put them both out of the way. Any responisble owner would do the same.

That poor girl who was killed by the dog should NOT have been alone with that or any dog.. she was too young. Im glad the silly cow has been charged and hopefully he will be too.

dirtydog · 4 Apr 2007 at 11:14

MNuTz said:
And if you read back over my posts, you will see that im neither complacent nor arrogant

I thought you had said that your dogs would not turn on anyone because you are such a good owner? If I am mistaken and you accept that they might do then I apologise

If I am not mistaken then my comment stands.

dirtydog · 4 Apr 2007 at 11:15

Rikk said:
I cycle over by a local lake, 5 times now in 4 months I've been chased and attacked by dogs who "woulnd't hurt a fly", "is harmless and having fun", "likes to chase things" according to their owners.

The amount of times I've heard dog owners say that!

lordrobs · 4 Apr 2007 at 11:16

As a dog owner you have to accept the fact that some people don't like / are aergic to / have a phobia of dogs.

My gf was attacked by a dog once as a child and she gets very nervous around dogs she doesn't know, especially ones that come running up off a lead. I find that pretty irresponsible of the owners and I wouldn't allow my dog to do it.

I'm not saying that your dog posed any threat just trying to see it from the other perspective.

Wang Computer · 4 Apr 2007 at 11:22

Some people would ban everything, ever...

I think you have more to fear from dog owners than the dogs themselves.

MNuTz · 4 Apr 2007 at 11:22

dirtydog said:
I thought you had said that your dogs would not turn on anyone because you are such a good owner? If I am mistaken and you accept that they might do then I apologise If I am not mistaken then my comment stands.

My dogs in my home would attack no one.

However, both are still being trained outside/on a lead which means that even though i know that they will not attack someone you still have to be responsible and keep them on a lead until they are 100% trained to return on command.

Off a lead, they may escape my line of sight, and if they where to approach someone who attacked them then they might attack back. They would say the dog attacked first and my dog would have to be put down.

This is what being a good owner is about, knowing your dogs faults and training them.

My local garage had a rotty puppy, now they get big fast. It looked mean but was a lovely dog. Until someone came in off the street and just laid into her. He beat her so bad that they can no longer bring her into the garage, she is afraid of people and may attack someone.

Again, that is not the dogs fault she is know this way, but the owners are aware of her problems and taking steps to avoid a bad thing from happening.

Wang Computer · 4 Apr 2007 at 11:25

MNuTz said:
My local garage had a rotty puppy, now they get big fast. It looked mean but was a lovely dog. Until someone came in off the street and just laid into her. He beat her so bad that they can no longer bring her into the garage, she is afraid of people and may attack someone.

Just a random person from the street? Why did they do that? Daily Mail mentality?

dirtydog · 4 Apr 2007 at 11:25

MNuTz said:
My dogs in my home would attack no one.

...

i know that they will not attack someone

That's what I thought

Sorry but no you don't 'know' because they are animals with minds of their own.

dustiestrat · 4 Apr 2007 at 11:26

we recently a huskey and when we take her out she's always on a lead a leather one walking around streets and an extendible one at parks because shes only a pup .we're gonna get her proper training aswell once she's trained we'll only let her of lead at park if we're positive its empty. as soon as someone does enter the park she's trained to come back at a word to put lead on well thats the plan.

Wang Computer · 4 Apr 2007 at 11:26

dirtydog said:
That's what I thought Sorry but no you don't 'know' because they are animals with minds of their own.

You really don't know what you're talking about, I'm afraid... Own a dog for 10 years and perhaps you'll be in a position to comment.

Samtheman1k · 4 Apr 2007 at 11:27

dirtydog said:
From what I have read and heard, owners precisely like yourself have had their dogs turn nasty without warning. You obviously believe that it is impossible that it could happen with you. Such complacency and arrogance is dangerous.

Completely agree. That attitude is very irresponsible. We used to have a collie/german shepard cross and was the softest most playfull thing ever, in fact i could describe her exactly as you have yours. However, if you tried to grab its food, or blew in her ear, then she would snap. Now, a child doesn't know that, especially strangers, so if you let your dog go up to them, and they provoke it, then it can attack. As a responsible dog owner, you should know that.

As you say, your dog is loving around YOU, and YOU trust it and no doubt it trusts YOU, but what about STRANGERS who [unintentionally] provoke it?

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