Dolby Atmos with headphones

Are movies and music available as binaural? Can you choose that "headphone soundtrack" on a BD? Nope.

They're mixed in multi-channel surround. They are require a multi channel surround system.

If you have headphones it'll downmix to stereo. You may have some kinda of gimmicky DSP to create fake surround from headphones but it's not mixed natively.
Yes, movie sounds are mixed for speakers.
With specific channel speakers supposed to be in specific positions around you!

Hence 5.1/7.1 audio contains everything HRTF needs to simulate directions.
(though proper distance simulating would need object based input)
 
Do you own a proper surround system? Mines 7.2.4.

I've heard bianural, it's good. But is as good as dedicated home theater? Nope.

It's different, not better/worse.

The point I'm making is that with a pair of stereo headphones and a good DSP, you can create very good positional audio.


It works by reverse engineering how your ears and brain interpret sound - timing & loudness.

Obviously, you only have 2 ears, and so the way you can hear where things are coming from is a combination of how long it takes to get to your ear, and how loud the sound is when it does.

It's the same reason why without proper configuration, Subwoofers often sound like they're making bass from a different location - you need to set the phase and loudness correctly to ensure it's in time, and as loud, as your main speakers. It's how room correction works, in addition to adjusting any peaks and other things.


By using this knowledge, Atmos and other immersive audio technologies are able to recreate the same effect of sound coming from different locations.


I've heard a £30K+ KEF system back to back with a really good set of headphones making use of the Dolby software on a PC and the effect was very similar, but obviously different. Open headphones will sound more natural, but still not the same as listening to something in a room, as you won't get the reflections/dispersion.
 
It's different, not better/worse.

The point I'm making is that with a pair of stereo headphones and a good DSP, you can create very good positional audio.


It works by reverse engineering how your ears and brain interpret sound - timing & loudness.

Obviously, you only have 2 ears, and so the way you can hear where things are coming from is a combination of how long it takes to get to your ear, and how loud the sound is when it does.

It's the same reason why without proper configuration, Subwoofers often sound like they're making bass from a different location - you need to set the phase and loudness correctly to ensure it's in time, and as loud, as your main speakers. It's how room correction works, in addition to adjusting any peaks and other things.


By using this knowledge, Atmos and other immersive audio technologies are able to recreate the same effect of sound coming from different locations.


I've heard a £30K+ KEF system back to back with a really good set of headphones making use of the Dolby software on a PC and the effect was very similar, but obviously different. Open headphones will sound more natural, but still not the same as listening to something in a room, as you won't get the reflections/dispersion.

No headphone can simultate low frequency like a subwoofer .

As someone with high end headphones, they don't come close to the 7.2.4 system.
 
DSP is also used to upscale audio, example stereo to Atmos.

Generally it works best the more native audio channels it is before DSP

Ie 7.1 DTS ma will be better than stereo track, which is the upscaled to 7.1.4.
 
No headphone can simultate low frequency like a subwoofer .

As someone with high end headphones, they don't come close to the 7.2.4 system.
With accurate scan of your head shape HRTF could produce basically indistinguishable (except for bass) experience to speakers, including vertical positions.
Assuming headphones are accurate/neutral enough, something high price/hyped model doesn't guarantee in any way...
Or their "sound signature" has been measured and that distortion in signal's reproduction is compensated in processing.

Alternatively personal HRTF could be measured by putting tiny mics into ears and then recording known sound signals from known positions around you.
That was how Creative originally demoed Super X-Fi to press in live events.
(while final consumer product is based on analyzing images of face and ears)
 
My current set up is bayer dynamic mmx300
Looks like you're in luck.
This company has customizable HRTF with profile to take MMX300's sound signature into account:
Would be certainly worth of shot trying that 2 week trial.
 
With accurate scan of your head shape HRTF could produce basically indistinguishable (except for bass) experience to speakers, including vertical positions.
Assuming headphones are accurate/neutral enough, something high price/hyped model doesn't guarantee in any way...
Or their "sound signature" has been measured and that distortion in signal's reproduction is compensated in processing.

Alternatively personal HRTF could be measured by putting tiny mics into ears and then recording known sound signals from known positions around you.
That was how Creative originally demoed Super X-Fi to press in live events.
(while final consumer product is based on analyzing images of face and ears)

That's all well and good.

Do BD movies and TV Series come with binaural soundtracks?
 
Try to already decide if movies come with surround sound track or not.

Yes they do but that's not discrete binaural track.

A DSP would need to be applied to a movie soundtrack to create biaural signal. DSP won't be as good as natively recorded binaural.

Movies are mixed with multi channel speakers and subwoofer in mind, not headphones.
 
Looks like you're in luck.
This company has customizable HRTF with profile to take MMX300's sound signature into account:
Would be certainly worth of shot trying that 2 week trial.
giving it a go, cheers.

It seems to be working through my dac as well.
I saw a pair of dt990's on the rain forest, 250ohm version for £118, do you think its worth getting them?
 
I saw a pair of dt990's on the rain forest, 250ohm version for £118, do you think its worth getting them?
Not sure if that Embody Immersion has profile for it, in which case positioning might not be as good as with MMX300.
Though DT990 does really nicely with generic HRTFs.
And as open design (+velour pads) long usage session comfort is at best level with least warming up of ears.

But if it's DT990 "Pro" version, it has coiled cable and higher than "normal" DT990 (but same as MMX300) headband pressure.




Movies are mixed with multi channel speakers and subwoofer in mind, not headphones.
Neither can speakers reproduce original sound source distances, or even accurate positions with very limited number of them.
Their sound is still just approximation.
(affected also by room acoustics)
 
Not sure if that Embody Immersion has profile for it, in which case positioning might not be as good as with MMX300.
Though DT990 does really nicely with generic HRTFs.
And as open design (+velour pads) long usage session comfort is at best level with least warming up of ears.

But if it's DT990 "Pro" version, it has coiled cable and higher than "normal" DT990 (but same as MMX300) headband pressure.




Neither can speakers reproduce original sound source distances, or even accurate positions with very limited number of them.
Their sound is still just approximation.
(affected also by room acoustics)
it says it is for all bayerdynamic headphones when you go to the website so I assume it should work
 
I tried Embody with my dt990, through my ae5 soundcard but direct mode, had to lower the sound to 16bit 48khz otherwise it kept crackling and cutting out, when it was working it seemed ok but to my ears, I couldn't really tell the difference between it and the dolby app. Tried cyberpunk, counter strike and assetto corsa competitzone and it was fine but I don't think I would pay for it. As others said more personal preference really
 
I tried Embody with my dt990, through my ae5 soundcard but direct mode, had to lower the sound to 16bit 48khz otherwise it kept crackling and cutting out, when it was working it seemed ok but to my ears, I couldn't really tell the difference between it and the dolby app. Tried cyberpunk, counter strike and assetto corsa competitzone and it was fine but I don't think I would pay for it. As others said more personal preference really
I have been trying it out on pubg and hell let loose this afternoon and I am liking it,,,,direction off enemy fire seems much better. Just wondering now whether to get a set of dt990s to see if they are better than my mmx330. My dac supports up to 200ohms, does that mean that it will not power the dt900 which are 250 ohms?
 
Not sure if true, others may know better, but on the SoundBlaster app you can set the gain of the headphones attached and it has three options low 16-31, normal 32-149 and high 150-600ohms, and to me it just sounds quieter if I have it on normal by mistake and just have to raise the volume more than if it was on high, so would think your DAC should be able to power them fine. Also if you can find the 990 pro black editions, they have a straight cable rather than coiled
 
Not sure if true, others may know better, but on the SoundBlaster app you can set the gain of the headphones attached and it has three options low 16-31, normal 32-149 and high 150-600ohms, and to me it just sounds quieter if I have it on normal by mistake and just have to raise the volume more than if it was on high, so would think your DAC should be able to power them fine. Also if you can find the 990 pro black editions, they have a straight cable rather than coiled
the ones I see on the rain forest have a straight cable ;)
 
Not sure if that Embody Immersion has profile for it, in which case positioning might not be as good as with MMX300.
Though DT990 does really nicely with generic HRTFs.
And as open design (+velour pads) long usage session comfort is at best level with least warming up of ears.

But if it's DT990 "Pro" version, it has coiled cable and higher than "normal" DT990 (but same as MMX300) headband pressure.




Neither can speakers reproduce original sound source distances, or even accurate positions with very limited number of them.
Their sound is still just approximation.
(affected also by room acoustics)

Very limited number? I have 11 speakers and two sub , With unit that does time alignment.

You're sti saying headphones are better ? ROFL

Do you own at least a 5.1 system? I have also a good hifi that's great but not way can place surround behind or above you.

Atmos is 3d positional. Stereo isn't.
 
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