Donald Trump

pacegod · 8 May 2020 at 07:19

https://twitter.com/x/status/937007006526959618

Kyo · 8 May 2020 at 09:36

pacegod said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/937007006526959618

Exactly, Trump clearly says Flynn lied to AG as well (at the time) so how can he be completely innocent now. Remember he has plead guilty and admitted he lied to FBI and also confirmed that in his day in court. Some very troubling manipulation in the Justice Department led by Trump minion Barr. It makes a mockery of the justice system which will dance to Trump's will with Barr clearly perverting the course of justice.

Sorry MSNBC i know but its a interview with ex FBI Frank Figliuzzi who points out some solid points.

doodah · 8 May 2020 at 09:58

But what about the meeting on the runway goddammit!?

Colonel_Klinck · 8 May 2020 at 10:19

@tang0 is so far down the QAanon rabbit hole there is no getting out.

pacegod · 8 May 2020 at 10:22

Interesting this news happens the same day the closed doors Russian investigation documents have been released.

doodah · 8 May 2020 at 10:26

The cynic in me would think it was a timely distraction....

Murphy · 8 May 2020 at 10:33

So not being familiar with the American justice system, can an AG be removed from office by anyone other than the POTUS? The reason i ask is after having looked into him i discovered he's broken DOJ rules on three separate occasions (IIRC when Muller did that Trump supporters were calling for him to resign) and his past actions and statements have shown a pattern of abusing his authority as AG for partisan reasons.

I found this Justsecurity.org article talking about his abuse of power rather interesting, although it has a slight left/liberal biases they've never failed a fact check (apparently).

kinetic747 · 8 May 2020 at 10:53

Murphy said:
So not being familiar with the American justice system, can an AG be removed from office by anyone other than the POTUS? The reason i ask is after having looked into him i discovered he's broken DOJ rules on three separate occasions (IIRC when Muller did that Trump supporters were calling for him to resign) and his past actions and statements have shown a pattern of abusing his authority as AG for partisan reasons.

I found this Justsecurity.org article talking about his abuse of power rather interesting, although it has a slight left/liberal biases they've never failed a fact check (apparently).

Hopefully all this will come back to haunt him sometime in the future.

doodah · 8 May 2020 at 11:13

He can be impeached but we live in the upside down world now where there are no consequences. You could argue his legacy is in tatters in regards to coming back to haunt him but it seems he really doesn't care about that.

tang0 · 8 May 2020 at 11:21

doodah said:
The cynic in me would think it was a timely distraction....

Distraction from what? That no where in any of the interviews had any smoking gun or proof to Russian collusion, and that Schiff has been trying hard to keep them sealed until Grenell forced his hand

Oh what’s this, Crowdstrike admitting they had no proof Russians hacked the DNC?

Since when do computers leave circumstantial evidence, they deal in absolutes, data either moves from point A to point B or it doesn’t

Hedge · 8 May 2020 at 11:24

I don't know why anyone could be arsed to live the life that they do.

Power must be addictive because most of these people in government have had decades of big incomes and are probably financially very secure. I don't know why more old dudes don't just retire to their nice homes and let other people take the stress.

At least when trump was sleeping with models you could understand the appeal. I certainly don't envy the position him and his cronies are in.

Colonel_Klinck · 8 May 2020 at 11:28

I notice Trump is still fighting the release of the underlying grand jury material in regards to the Mueller investigation up to the Supreme Court. I mean if there is nothing to hide why fight it?

Kyo · 8 May 2020 at 11:33

Total exoneration was how Trump and supporters labelled it. Actions of an innocent man :rolleyes:

Murphy · 8 May 2020 at 11:58

tang0 said:
Distraction from what? That no where in any of the interviews had any smoking gun or proof to Russian collusion, and that Schiff has been trying hard to keep them sealed until Grenell forced his hand

Why are you struggling to grasp the fact that he wasn't convicted for anything to do with Russia, you've been told numerous times that he was convicted of making false statements to law enforcement officer but for some reason that just doesn't seem to be sinking in.

Colonel_Klinck · 8 May 2020 at 12:04

Yep he is all of those things... well except the virologist.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1258712291954089984

plasmahal · 8 May 2020 at 12:12

Murphy said:
Why are you struggling to grasp the fact that he wasn't convicted for anything to do with Russia, you've been told numerous times that he was convicted of making false statements to law enforcement officer but for some reason that just doesn't seem to be sinking in.

Because of:

On April 27, 2017, the Pentagon inspector general announced an investigation into whether Flynn had accepted money from foreign governments without the required approval.[16] The New York Times reported on May 18, 2018, that a longtime FBI/CIA informant had met Flynn at an intelligence seminar in Britain six months earlier and became alarmed by Flynn's closeness to a Russian woman there; this concern prompted another individual to alert American authorities that Flynn may have been compromised by Russian intelligence.[17] Flynn initially refused to hand over subpoenaed documents to the Senate Intelligence Committee, pleading the Fifth Amendment against self-incrimination, but a compromise with the committee was worked out.[18][19]

On December 1, 2017, Flynn appeared in federal court to formalize a deal with Special Counsel Robert Mueller to plead guilty to a felony count of "willfully and knowingly" making "false, fictitious and fraudulent statements" to the FBI. He also agreed to cooperate with the Special Counsel's investigation.[20] In August 2019, Flynn filed a motion to hold prosecutors in contempt for "malevolent conduct" and smears.[21] This was rejected by the judge.[22] In 2020 Flynn filed a motion to withdraw his guilty plea, [23] his sentencing was indefinitely postponed, [24] and the United States Department of Justice dropped the charges against Flynn in early May.[25]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Flynn

Murphy · 8 May 2020 at 12:13

tang0 said:
Since when do computers leave circumstantial evidence, they deal in absolutes, data either moves from point A to point B or it doesn’t

Also will you please learn what words mean...evidence.

The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
Law Information drawn from personal testimony, a document, or a material object, used to establish facts in a legal investigation or admissible as testimony in a law court.
Signs or indications of something.

As you struggle with information I'll make it clear, computers do indeed deal in absolutes, people interpret those absolutes into something humans can understand.

This is an absolute.

01000100 01101111 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01110101 01101110 01100100 01100101 01110010 01110011 01110100 01100001 01101110 01100100 00100000 01100001 01101110 01111001 01110100 01101000 01101001 01101110 01100111 00111111

Your answer will be what you believe or propose, it will be information draw from personal testimony.

Colonel_Klinck · 8 May 2020 at 12:14

Murphy said:
Why are you struggling to grasp the fact that he wasn't convicted for anything to do with Russia, you've been told numerous times that he was convicted of making false statements to law enforcement officer but for some reason that just doesn't seem to be sinking in.

Yep he also broke the Logan Act by undercutting the US Gov in his communications with Russian Ambassador while a private citizen. That isn't what he admitted his guilt to under oath in court though. Barr's DOJ might have dropped the charges but he will always have pleaded guilty in court.

Murphy · 8 May 2020 at 12:19

plasmahal said:
Because of:

On April 27, 2017, the Pentagon inspector general announced an investigation into whether Flynn had accepted money from foreign governments without the required approval. The New York Times reported on May 18, 2018, that a longtime FBI/CIA informant had met Flynn at an intelligence seminar in Britain six months earlier and became alarmed by Flynn's closeness to a Russian woman there; this concern prompted another individual to alert American authorities that Flynn may have been compromised by Russian intelligence. Flynn initially refused to hand over subpoenaed documents to the Senate Intelligence Committee, pleading the Fifth Amendment against self-incrimination, but a compromise with the committee was worked out.

On December 1, 2017, Flynn appeared in federal court to formalize a deal with Special Counsel Robert Mueller to plead guilty to a felony count of "willfully and knowingly" making "false, fictitious and fraudulent statements" to the FBI. He also agreed to cooperate with the Special Counsel's investigation. In August 2019, Flynn filed a motion to hold prosecutors in contempt for "malevolent conduct" and smears. This was rejected by the judge. In 2020 Flynn filed a motion to withdraw his guilty plea, his sentencing was indefinitely postponed, and the United States Department of Justice dropped the charges against Flynn in early May.

Click to expand...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Flynn

Did you intend to post that? Because it substantiates exactly what everyone keeps trying to tell tang0, that Flynn was not convicted for anything to do with Russia, that he was convicted of making false statements to law enforcement officer.

Look, I'll try to make it simple. If a police officer suspects you of stealing a candy bar from a shop and brings you in to interview you and you tell him you can't have stolen it because you were nowhere near the shop and he can prove you were making a false statement because he's got CCTV of you in the shop it doesn't matter if you're innocent, if the CCTV shows you didn't steal anything, or any other stuff.

It doesn't matter because while the evidence proves you didn't do what he initially suspected you of, stealing the candy bar, you did commit another crime, you made a false statement and depending on how much of a jobs worth the officer is or how much of everyone time you've wasted chasing dead ends they'll arrest you and charge you with that.

Colonel_Klinck · 8 May 2020 at 12:22

plasmahal said:
Because of:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Flynn

For gods sake he pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI. He knew the FBI were coming to question him, The Deputy Director himself called him and told him they were coming. He had 3 choices, tell the truth, keep his mouth shut and call a lawyer or lie. He chose to lie. Those false statements were in regards to two conversations he had while a private citizen in Dec 2016 with then Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak where he undermined the US Gov. That in itself is a criminal offence but it isn't what he was charged with or what he pleaded guilty to.