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Panos said:
Protect against anyone not Federal government.
The moment Twitter edits and tries to fact checks an opinion has 2 paths to follow
a) Goes back
b) Waves protection under 230 1996 CDA becoming a publisher and liable for punishment.

As for you Werewolf, by not reading the rest of my post, you go straight to the example of the people on my last sentence.
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Can you at least attempt to form coherent sentences, what are you even trying to say with "Protect against anyone not Federal government.", is that meant to be it protects against anyone not just the Federal government. Is it meant to say Protect against anyone, but not the Federal government. Or is it meant to be Protect against anyone, not the Federal government.

Whatever you're trying to say there I'm fairly sure it's wrong as the 1st says the following...
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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In case it's still not clear it specifically say congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, it makes no mention of private companies, people, or even the individual states themselves and that's because the constitution isn't a document that seeks to directly protect an individuals rights, it was a piece of law enacted to protect the individual states from the then newly formed federal government.

It was, for want of a better word, a contract between the states and the federal government intended to set well defined limits on what powers the federal government had in order to prevent exactly what Trump is trying to do, to prevent a POTUS or federal government acting like George III, like a monarch, like a dictator.

Also what are you trying to say with "The moment Twitter edits and tries to fact checks an opinion has 2 paths to follow"? Who has two options, Twitter? Trump? The legal system? Who? Is it safe to say you intended to say the moment Twitter edits a tweet and adds a link to fact checks it there are 2 opinions?

I have to be honest your post are very difficult to follow as not only do your sentences not make much sense but they're full of spurious claims and very disjointed, is English not your fist language?
 
Nitefly said:
Kind of interesting reading the effect of the order. From what I gather, social media platforms are typically excluded from free speech scrutiny by virtue of the fact that they do NOT scrutinise the content uploaded by users - so they are not publishing information. BUT, if they ARE actually choosing which information is scrutinised and which information is not, then they are actually ‘publishing’ and should be subject to the same rules as anyone else.

Huh. Framed that way.... I can sort of make sense of it.
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It's not so much that they're protected from free speech scrutiny as it's their platform so they can set whatever rules they want, it's where the responsibility lies. For example if i said something on Twitter and someone wanted to take me court, for whatever reason, but couldn't because my Twitter handle was not my real name or whatever then there's nothing more they could do, they can't hold Twitter responsible and take them to court for publishing it. If on the other hand we make Twitter responsible, by virtue of it being a publisher, then Twitter would either be forced to reveal my true name and possibly address so i could be dragged before the courts, failing that Twitter would then be held responsible and as such would be the one dragged before the courts.

If, and it's such a big if it doesn't even seem worth mentioning, this was enacted Twitter would most likely just demand that people give their real names and address so that anytime someone want's to take legal action they could provide the details of who to contact.
 
The Geezer said:
Not sure if you’re being serious but you must know Trump was supporting stopping Measles vaccinations as in his world it causes autism. It back fired last year when there was a massive increase in measles cases after his supporters didn’t vaccinate - guess who changed his tune as states were about to call emergency measures.

He came to office as a anti-vaxxer.

https://www.statnews.com/2019/04/26/trump-vaccinations-measles/

https://www.insider.com/how-donald-trump-became-an-anti-vaccinationist-2019-9

All is tweets on anti-vaxxing

http://www.trumptwitterarchive.com/highlights/vaccines
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OK, just read over many of those tweets.

He's not against vaccines, he's against giving too many at the same time.

He's not an anti-vaxxer then. To say so is disingenuous.
 
Murphy said:
The question was how big a problem is it.

It's a problem that the price of my morning cup of tea has gone up by 1p but considering 300 million other things i buy haven't it's probably not worth bothering about too much.
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Well it's logical to see that if the use of mail in voting is increased, the problem increases also.
 
plasmahal said:
Well it's logical to see that if the use of mail in voting is increased, the problem increases also.
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But increases from what? If there's a 100% increase in the 1p rise in the price of my cup of tea that's still not worth bothering about, so are we talking about a rise from 1 case of mail-in-ballot fraud to 2, or 100k to 1 million? What?
 
Murphy said:
But increases from what? If there's a 100% increase in the 1p rise in the price of my cup of tea that's still not worth bothering about, so are we talking about a rise from 1 case of mail-in-ballot fraud to 2, or 100k to 1 million? What?
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It's pointless arguing with a Trump sycophant. We all know why Trump wants to stop mail voting, so let's not pretend he's trying to avoid fraudulent behaviour.
 
plasmahal said:
OK, just read over many of those tweets.

He's not against vaccines, he's against giving too many at the same time.

He's not an anti-vaxxer then. To say so is disingenuous.
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Wow, simply wow !!!!!!

You are here screaming VOTER FRAUD because of a Trump tweet and you don't believe the 30 plus tweets and countless rallies where he made unsubstantiated claims of the measles vaccination causes autism didn't stop the Trump loons from protecting their children ultimately raising the measles cases to Third World levels in the USA ? These Trump loons ended up risking the lives of other children whose parents were diligent in vaccinating their kids - it echoes with what's happening now with COVID-19, self serving Trump fans want the freedom to go and infect anyone they like, they will not take the medical advisories.

Consolidated headlines:
https://khn.org/morning-breakout/me...nation-leanings-they-have-to-get-their-shots/

 
The Geezer said:
Wow, simply wow !!!!!!

You are here screaming VOTER FRAUD because of a Trump tweet and you don't believe the 30 plus tweets and countless rallies where he made unsubstantiated claims of the measles vaccination causes autism didn't stop the Trump loons from protecting their children ultimately raising the measles cases to Third World levels in the USA ? These Trump loons ended up risking the lives of other children whose parents were diligent in vaccinating their kids - it echoes with what's happening now with COVID-19, self serving Trump fans want the freedom to go and infect anyone they like, they will not take the medical advisories.

Consolidated headlines:
https://khn.org/morning-breakout/me...nation-leanings-they-have-to-get-their-shots/

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Calm down!!!!

I'm not screaming voter fraud at all.

I merely mentioned it in a calm way as a point of discussion.

It exists and is a problem which is factual.

Regardless of whether trump has an opinion on links between some vaccines and autism, he's not said do not vaccinate.

Don't get hysterical and look at what's been said.
 
plasmahal said:
Regardless of whether trump has an opinion on links between some vaccines and autism, he's not said do not vaccinate.

Don't get hysterical and look at what's been said.
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Are you now saying Trump's opinion carries no weight ? (no pun intended)

plasmahal said:
I'm not screaming voter fraud at all.

I merely mentioned it in a calm way as a point of discussion.
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Again, I have asked you to provide the size of the problem which you seem to struggling to qualify. I even gave you a reference point of Trump's own Voter Fraud Commission, tell us what it found.
 
plasmahal said:
is a problem which is factual
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Actually this hasn't been proven to be a fact. If 10 cases of fraud exists, it's not a problem. If 0.1 percent of votes are fraudulent, it's not a problem.

You understand this yes?

Trump's team found zero evidence of voter fraud being a problem. Do you understand this?

How else can we word it to help you? We'd really like to help you here. Tell us the words that you will understand and we will say them for you.
 
Apex said:
Actually this hasn't been proven to be a fact. If 10 cases of fraud exists, it's not a problem. If 0.1 percent of votes are fraudulent, it's not a problem.

You understand this yes?

Trump's team found zero evidence of voter fraud being a problem. Do you understand this?

How else can we word it to help you? We'd really like to help you here. Tell us the words that you will understand and we will say them for you.
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It's fraud, so it's a problem, it's simple to understand.

If one in ten people get raped, is that a problem? By you logic, no, but i say not matter how big or small, it's a problem.
 
It is not a significant problem in comparison to the the issue it resolves - helping people to vote who otherwise would not want to go out and queue up at a polling station. But you knew that didn't you?
 
Panos said:
What about the lies of the Media? What about your lies? Because you perceive as "lies" someone's opinion you do not agree so same rules apply to you also.
So why you lie? (I apply the same rules you use mate)

Trump stated his opinion on a country that has a written Constitution and its 1st Amendment is pretty straight forward. There is also plenty of facts that there is widespread fraud on mail balloting. (New Jersey today hit the news)
Look at UK calls for fraudulent mail balloting.

6 days ago, Dems caught rigging mail voting
https://youtu.be/vtEnLhpoYG8

Today another, asking for the whole election in NJ to be scrapped.
https://youtu.be/9trRkNWXK9I


Twitter admits has vested interests as is politically opposed to Trump and pro mail voting.
https://youtu.be/e4JoA--ghUg



By silencing Trump, or editing his comment, or anyone else like they do eg Alex Jones, not only are in violation of 1st Amendment but wave protection of Section 230 of the 1996 CDA. Which means the death of Youtube, Facebook and Twitter when they decide that censoring is better than protection of Section 230. Better all 3 shutdown tomorrow morning if their shareholders do not want to be homeless living on the street if they want to continue censoring, otherwise they need to stop.

Don't extrapolate from the sht laws UK has, some countries have written Constitutions that are above laws and you are as good as gone by breaking them.
Watch the attached video because the media do not show him talking any more (because he gains support and votes).
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-signs-executive-order-on-social-media-companies

Watch this as he sums up pretty well the issues,
https://youtu.be/3wJdLa3RH0s

and lets forget Joe Rogan is not allowed to get doctors or have anyone's opinion YT arbitrary guidelines do not agree.

As for the media lies, she is damn good, tell me is she lying when calls the liars?
(watch after 45 minute).
https://youtu.be/W5vi4zWkljc

Russiangate & Ukrainegate where both based lies, rogue FBI agents army twisting people threatening their families, and the Obama administration creating all this as "insurance policy" in case Trump won the 2016 elections. All these are out now. Where is the fact checking on the media & Democrats lies?

So tell me are you pro freedom of speech or against it? Because you leave me with the opinion of your own post that you would have been the front row hand clapper every time Joseph Goebbels made a speech.
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I am more concerned about a platform that lets the POTUS carry on spreading hate, lies and misinformation. I really dont give a toss about freedom of speech, in modern times its just something people try to hide behind when they are being asshats.

They have not silenced Trump. They have not edited his comments. I have no problem with anyone being fact checked.
 
Panos said:
Hence he came yesterday out in panic mode condemning Twitter, given FB has thousands of examples of censoring and editing posts that are not restricted by Section 230. Hell just yesterday arbitrary deleted a post in a closed forum discussing why the executive orders in the Dem states are so contradictory with themselves. And was banned as "hate speech". Yet there was absolutely nothing that any logic person could perceive as hate speech.
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Can you imagine the utter deranged nonsense that gets "discussed" on these closed groups. Talk about echo chamber of madness.
 
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