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Hehe the Germans have said that if Twitter gets banned in the USA, they can operate from Germany.

Honestly twitter should do the whole world a favour and ban/delete the orange muppets account permanently.

The amount of times he has broken their TOS and hasn’t been banned is quite frankly ridiculous. Anyone else and they would get their account banned.
 
Isn't it concerning to people that someone with so much power is waging war against anyone that offends him personally? The things he's been posting up recently it utterly irresponsible, murder accusations, threatening private companies. I've never known anything like it ffs!
 
Werewolf said:
Except they're given very explicit exemptions, otherwise for example a site specifically aimed at kids couldn't remove pornographic adverts spammed to their message boards without also approving every other post.

Heck if you took that route then by removing posts with content that is illegal in the US, thus complying with other US laws would also make them publishers and so no company, organisation, or individual could host any form of comments online without being a publisher and having all the liabilities required for that.

The result of that would be Twitter would shut, Facebook would shut, even the Republican only sites would have to shut as they'd now be jointly liable for every single post, including the ones that go against their T&C as they'd no longer get the protection.

Your take on this is almost as funny as when we used to get people claiming we were infringing their first amendment rights by removing links to competitors....
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The exception you refer to is under 1996 CDA Section 230. Which is what Trump pointed it at his Executive Order today.
Asking the FCC to run investigation if the big 3, Twitter, FB, YT, are complying with the rules of Section 230 within 30 days.

If you bothered to watch the sum up by Tim Pool posted above, explains in detail (having the legislation on the screen) that those 3 cannot censor opinion if it is not legally objective (aka against the law), lewd, harmful, racist etc. Is very specific legislation.

By censoring opinion, they void themselves protection because they do the job a newspaper would do by editing and censoring articles. Hence they become a publisher with the liabilities this implies

That is the problem, that is why the stocks of the big 3 are collapsing tonight because Alex Jones alone can drag them to court now and send them the cleaners. Let alone everyone else, including Trump.

That is why even Pelosi (of all people) came out tonight in support according to Reuters
When asked about President Trump’s expected executive order on social media platforms, Nancy Pelosi did not hold back her criticism of the companies: 'All they want is to not pay taxes’
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https://twitter.com/Reuters/Status/1266090615676141568


Zuck runs away hiding because he doesn't want investigation in his company.
https://twitter.com/ReutersWorld/status/1266134659064385537

Hence he came yesterday out in panic mode condemning Twitter, given FB has thousands of examples of censoring and editing posts that are not restricted by Section 230. Hell just yesterday arbitrary deleted a post in a closed forum discussing why the executive orders in the Dem states are so contradictory with themselves. And was banned as "hate speech". Yet there was absolutely nothing that any logic person could perceive as hate speech.
 
steve5424 said:
Except they aren't Trumps opinions as such. He is posting made up stories and trying to claim them as facts. All Twitter did was add a note to say, this may not actually be true and there is no proof to support what he said.
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Yet there is proof. I posted it above. 2 videos of multiple articles attached on each, showing widespread mail post corruption and fraud. The one of today found in NJ 20% of the votes were fraudulent making the election null and void

6 days ago, a judge gets dragged to the courts admitting that added extra ballots to support local Dem candidates after they paid him.

And you do not have to go away. Look at UK calls for fraud on postal vote.

Closing, on the other video posted above, Twitter admits they have vested interests and politically oppose Trump supporting mail voting.
Is that too difficult to understand? Twitter ADMITS that their move was politically motivated.

Also if censoring Trumps opinion, why they do not censor anyone else's opinion and open lies?
Took them 2 months to censor (aka fact check) China's Foreign ministry who said that the virus came from USA on Twitter!!!! (this happened today).

Do you understand that the same rules need to apply to everyone not only Trump?
 
wesimmo said:
This isn't about opinion. It's about facts.
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Did you read the "unedited" Trumps post? He stated his OPINION that mail voting can be tampered and lead to fraud.
That is an OPINION. Some might argue that there is evidence for this also. (posted it above).

According to you is facts the Chinese Foreign ministry saying that the virus came from the USA 2 months now?
Is it facts gazillion lies in relation to Russiangate & Ukrainegate by the media on Twitter?

Why you do not watch today's White house briefing? The spokeswoman is pretty damn good, speaking pretty good English when she points out the hypocrisy of the Media calling out their lies on twitter over the years, specifically calling by name numerous of them.


That is this all about. Targeting Trump is pure censoring of someone, without taking the same action against everyone.

But is not the job of Twitter to fact check anyone otherwise becomes publisher losing protection of Section 230 of 1996 CDA. So anyone can send them to the cleaners. (that applies to YT, FB also)
 
Trump is just unhappymthat he got called out for trying to spread fake news and just wants all media outlets to allow him to say what he wants and spread his own fake news as if it was fact. He wants to be a dictator and control the media.
 
steve5424 said:
Except they aren't Trumps opinions as such. He is posting made up stories and trying to claim them as facts. All Twitter did was add a note to say, this may not actually be true and there is no proof to support what he said.
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A fact that is completely and utterly lost on Trump supporters;). It’s actually quite hilarious seeing them get all worked up about Twitter fact checking his tweets.
 
Panos said:
Did you read the "unedited" Trumps post? He stated his OPINION that mail voting can be tampered and lead to fraud.
That is an OPINION. Some might argue that there is evidence for this also. (posted it above).
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No he didnt.

He stated mail voting was a massive risk.

It's not. That you can find stories about mail fraud means nothing, nobody is denying that some goes on.

We've been here before, it's also true some of the more significant frauds have been when GOP supporters spammed physical machines.
 
wesimmo said:
When does editing something start?
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How long is a piece of string?

Personally, I'd say that leaving the original untouched and adding something else that is clearly marked as not being part of the original is commentary, not editing. But that's my opinion, not the objective truth.

The "platform or publisher?" argument has been going on for years without a resolution because it's no longer clear what the distinction is. Some compromises have been cobbled together but there's nothing well defined, unchallengeable or unchangeable about them. Whether POTUS has the authority to make those changes by themself is another thing. I'm not an expert on USA law, but I think they don't. The authority of POTUS is quite limited and very deliberately so.
 
wesimmo said:
No he didnt.

He stated mail voting was a massive risk.

It's not. That you can find stories about mail fraud means nothing, nobody is denying that some goes on.

We've been here before, it's also true some of the more significant frauds have been when GOP supporters spammed physical machines.
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We've also been there in the UK, which tentatively toyed with voting by post for decades because there were legitimate concerns about voting fraud. I realise many people think everything Trump says is a lie regardless of reality and regardless of who else has said the same thing, but that's just a matter of faith. It's not even opinion, let alone fact.

So...since the UK has already spent decades studying the issue of postal voting, has already devised ways of preventing voting fraud through postal voting and has been successfully using nationwide postal voting on demand for 20 years without any apparent problems, perhaps the solution is for the USA to copy what the UK is doing? No point re-inventing the wheel.
 
Nitefly said:
Kind of interesting reading the effect of the order. From what I gather, social media platforms are typically excluded from free speech scrutiny by virtue of the fact that they do NOT scrutinise the content uploaded by users - so they are not publishing information. BUT, if they ARE actually choosing which information is scrutinised and which information is not, then they are actually ‘publishing’ and should be subject to the same rules as anyone else.

Huh. Framed that way.... I can sort of make sense of it.
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Totally agree with this statement, also add to it the editing of peoples posts on these new media platforms.
 
plasmahal said:
Really? Care to share?
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Not sure if you’re being serious but you must know Trump was supporting stopping Measles vaccinations as in his world it causes autism. It back fired last year when there was a massive increase in measles cases after his supporters didn’t vaccinate - guess who changed his tune as states were about to call emergency measures.

He came to office as a anti-vaxxer.

https://www.statnews.com/2019/04/26/trump-vaccinations-measles/

https://www.insider.com/how-donald-trump-became-an-anti-vaccinationist-2019-9

All is tweets on anti-vaxxing

http://www.trumptwitterarchive.com/highlights/vaccines
 
I suspect the next couple of months are going to be hilarious over in the land of the free. The war and impending fallout is going to be biblical, on one hand we've got Twitter embracing their free will to protect their image and their business, on the other hand we've got a sulky susan who's never had real life consequences before learning that sometimes, on occasion, the world doesn't revolve around him. The white house is going to look like a creche soon with all the dummies all over the floor, I can't wait :D
 
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