Donald Trump

plasmahal · 23 Jan 2020 at 11:11

robfosters said:
No one will care. Is Clinton only remembered for his impeachment?

It’s only trump haters who will give a flying fig about it in the future.

Jono8 · 23 Jan 2020 at 11:23

You know what would be really cool, if Trump is completely innocent (he isn't) and its all a hoax/sham (it isn't)? It would be really cool if all the people directly involved (and maybe even Trump himself) would testify under oath that he was innocent...

Why aren't they doing that? (it is because he is guilty)

timmeh · 23 Jan 2020 at 11:29

It's strange isn't it. Something like that would completely finish the whole thing.

Jono8 · 23 Jan 2020 at 11:32

timmeh said:
It's strange isn't it. Something like that would completely finish the whole thing.

Yeh. All it would take is Mulvaney, Rudy, Pence, Perry and Bolton to volunteer to testify and say under oath that they knew of no such scheme. It would also be helpful for someone to testify under oath what the real reason for withholding the aid was.

If Trump is so innocent, why would they not do that?

It is very odd.

If Trump is telling the truth (he isnt), and it is all a hoax and a sham, there is a very easy way to defend yourself. You get yourself and everyone involved to testify that what you are being accused of didn't happen. You do that because if it truly is a hoax/made up, you are under no risk of perjury, because you would be telling the truth, as what you are being accused of didn't happen.

doodah · 23 Jan 2020 at 11:32

ZXSpectrum said:
I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this but.. Doesn't Adam Schiff bear a striking resemblance to Charles Logan from the TV Show 24?

Bahahahaha never realised but yes he does! He better watch out for Martha and her secret recordings (spoiler lol). Still my favourite season of the 9 - it's supposedly coming....again.

Greebo said:
Again, he didnt say that bit your keep quoting in bold. So why do you keep posting the same incorrect thing over and over Vlad?

Funny especially as only a few pages back he took great offence in the distinction between saying Obama himself did something or his administration. And often rants about people lying on here. Obviously doesn't follow his own rules.

Jono8 · 23 Jan 2020 at 11:38

plasmahal said:
but, but I don't like your sources..... here's a hanky.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/national-file/

Overall, we rate National File an extreme right Tin Foil Hat Conspiracy website based on the promotion of unproven/debunked claims and a Strong Pseudoscience purveyor based on using junk science to support to claims.

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plasmahal · 23 Jan 2020 at 11:58

Jono8 said:
You know what would be really cool, if Trump is completely innocent (he isn't) and its all a hoax/sham (it isn't)? It would be really cool if all the people directly involved (and maybe even Trump himself) would testify under oath that he was innocent...

Why aren't they doing that? (it is because he is guilty)

you when you posted this...

Kyo · 23 Jan 2020 at 11:59

He wont respond properly to that, you give him evidence to substantiate your point, he will conveniently run away or deflect and then post other drivel to start the cycle again.

EDIT - point proven ^^.

Jono8 · 23 Jan 2020 at 12:03

plasmahal said:
you when you posted this...

What, Rowan Atkinson? Thank you.

Care to actually address the point?

Whilst you are at it, maybe you could address why you have to resort to using sources such as this:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/national-file/

Overall, we rate National File an extreme right Tin Foil Hat Conspiracy website based on the promotion of unproven/debunked claims and a Strong Pseudoscience purveyor based on using junk science to support to claims.

Factual Reporting: LOW
Country: USA
World Press Freedom Rank: USA 48/180

plasmahal · 23 Jan 2020 at 12:06

Jono8 said:
Care to actually address the point?

what point? what did you ask?

Greebo · 23 Jan 2020 at 12:07

plasmahal said:
Been posted above. Should have gone to spec-savers...

No it hasnt. No where have you posted a link which shows Schiff actually said

Parroting the talking points of one of the House Democrats’ witnesses, Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) told Congress that President Donald Trump erred by asking Ukraine to investigate its own corruption because we need to fund and give weapons to the country so it can fight Russia, and without a Ukrainian-Russian conflict, Russia will invade the United States of America.

He never said what is claimed in your quote from your dodgy "news" site. So I will keep asking.

Jono8 · 23 Jan 2020 at 12:08

plasmahal said:
what did you ask?

Have I now got to point out how the English language works to you?

Squark · 23 Jan 2020 at 12:08

Despite your dismissiveness it's a valid point, in order to prove his proclaimed innocence why does he stop the people directly involved from testifying? Surely it would have put an end to all this before it got going?

You say the Democrats have a nothing case, but why don't people testify and destroy it?

doodah · 23 Jan 2020 at 12:19

Ladies and gents - remember......

We would have more luck convincing Trump to convert to Islam.

Yas786 · 23 Jan 2020 at 12:26

Jono8 said:
Have I now got to point out how the English language works to you?

He’s back to posting stupid memes that do nothing but show what he really is

.

Not only that he lacks basic reading comprehension. And then resorts to childish retorts that are better left to the playground.

plasmahal · 23 Jan 2020 at 12:46

Yas786 said:
He’s back to posting stupid memes that do nothing but show what he really is .

Hey leave @doodah alone, stop slagging him and his memes off. He needs a bro-hug not your hate.

doodah · 23 Jan 2020 at 12:56

Haha saw that one coming

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Yadda · 23 Jan 2020 at 13:13

NVP said:
Just make sure it isn't an Epstein party

If Epstein hands me a smoke I'll make sure to ask if he's washed his hands, the dirty minger.

plasmahal · 23 Jan 2020 at 13:15

Squark said:
Despite your dismissiveness it's a valid point, in order to prove his proclaimed innocence why does he stop the people directly involved from testifying?

He has not stopped the people the dems wanted to testify. The office of the president has executive privilege.

Here's how it basically works in this scenario (under tried and tested separation of powers):

The house Subpoena a witness to testify.
The office of the president has executive privilege to deny the subpoena on the grounds of XYZ.
The house then start court proceedings to overrule the executive privilege.
The court then rules. If in favour of the house, then the witness will have no choice but to testify. If in favour of the office of the president, then the witnesses do not testify.

As established, only one of the several witnesses the dems want were subpoena'd, were denied at step 2 and the house failed to take if further through the process. As for the other witnesses, the house never even bothered.

I have never denied that the administration (like all of them in one or another) is trying to hide something, but the separation of powers are clear and there for good reasons.

Squark said:
You say the Democrats have a nothing case, but why don't people testify and destroy it?

OK, please show what constitutional crimes have been committed and enshrined in the articles of impeachment?

More and more constitutional scholars, Attorney generals and lawyers everyday join the many already stating there are none. And this is why this is going to fail.

plasmahal · 23 Jan 2020 at 13:17

doodah said:
Haha saw that one coming .

I got your back Bro.