Donald Trump

Colonel_Klinck · 23 Jan 2020 at 18:26

Jono8 said:
It's astonishing isn't it. Even though this has been debunked a million times the world over (even many times in this thread) and even though it was quite clearly the bi-partisan policy of the United States and its allies, they still think it was to stop an investigation (which had stalled anyway) into Burisma, for a period before Hunter was even there!

It is a ridiculous conspiracy theory and nothing more.

It should be astonishing but its a perfect example of the times we live in and how some people will believe any propaganda if it fits their political persuasion. The more it is shown to be untrue the more they double down on it. I'm honestly not sure where we go from here. You can't argue with them logically. They are like flat earthers or anti vax, irrational and illogical.

plasmahal · 23 Jan 2020 at 18:26

Jono8 said:
So you agree that all those in Trump's orbit and who were involved in this Ukraine scheme should testify then?

Yes, if they are called in the correct process.

chroniclard · 23 Jan 2020 at 18:26

Trusty said:
Erm, yes, you might want to google it. Spying did occur.

You keep ignoring my question about the gun running scandal, was that ok or not?

How about wiretapping Angela Merkel?

No, crimes/abuse of power are not ok, irrelevant to this topic though.

Jono8 · 23 Jan 2020 at 18:27

Trusty said:
Erm, yes, you might want to google it. Spying did occur.

You keep ignoring my question about the gun running scandal, was that ok or not?

How about wiretapping Angela Merkel?

Do you have any proof that Obama ordered the spying on the Trump campaign and if so, that it was for his own personal benefit and not under advisement of law enforcement or for genuine national security reasons?

Jono8 · 23 Jan 2020 at 18:28

plasmahal said:
Yes, if they are called in the correct process.

Good. Then lets hope the Senate does the right thing and compels them all to testify under oath then.

plasmahal · 23 Jan 2020 at 18:28

chroniclard said:
Are there any facts behind this spygate or is it another wild CT?

Yes, it's called the Steele dossier.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steele_dossier

It was in the Mueller report and will be subject to investigations by the justice department.

chroniclard · 23 Jan 2020 at 18:29

Well thats not going to happen as its a #GOPCoverup

Trusty · 23 Jan 2020 at 18:29

chroniclard said:
No, crimes/abuse of power are not ok, irrelevant to this topic though.

So i take you were just as outraged when it was happening previously? Obviously not eh.

Jono8 said:
Do you have any proof that Obama ordered the spying on the Trump campaign and if so, that it was for his own personal benefit?

Yes, just google it, there are videos from congress. How do you not know this?

Jono8 · 23 Jan 2020 at 18:30

Trusty said:
Yes, just google it, there are videos from congress. How do you not know this?

I cant find any that prove Obama did what you have accused him of.

chroniclard · 23 Jan 2020 at 18:30

Trusty said:
So i take you were just as outraged when it was happening previously? Obviously not eh.

Were you outraged at all the paedos that you didnt know about did paedo stuff?

plasmahal · 23 Jan 2020 at 18:30

Jono8 said:
Good. Then lets hope the Senate does the right thing and compels them all to testify under oath then.

They may get that option.

Why didn't the house do the right thing and compel them all to testify under oath then???

Trusty · 23 Jan 2020 at 18:31

Jono8 said:
I cant find any that prove Obama did what you have accused him of.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-did-occur-on-trump-campaign-during-obama-era

Trusty · 23 Jan 2020 at 18:31

chroniclard said:
Were you outraged at all the paedos that you didnt know about did paedo stuff?

That's the problem with echo chambers..

Jono8 · 23 Jan 2020 at 18:31

plasmahal said:
They may get that option.

Why didn't the house do the right thing and compel them all to testify under oath then???

Because of blatant and rampant obstruction that would have dragged the whole thing out for months, if not years.

Not a clever thing to do when the president is threatening national security with his actions.

Jono8 · 23 Jan 2020 at 18:33

Trusty said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-did-occur-on-trump-campaign-during-obama-era

That doesn't say that Obama ordered spying on his political rival for personal/political gain.

It just says Barr "thinks" spying may have occurred during his administration.

plasmahal · 23 Jan 2020 at 18:33

Jono8 said:
I cant find any that prove Obama did what you have accused him of.

Look harder then....

Plenty of info/evidence out there.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/03/16/did_obama_spy_on_trump_133343.html#!

Trusty · 23 Jan 2020 at 18:34

Jono8 said:
That doesn't say that Obama ordered spying on his political rival for personal/political gain.

It just says Barr "thinks" spying may have occurred during his administration.

You can't be that dense?

plasmahal · 23 Jan 2020 at 18:34

Jono8 said:
Because of blatant and rampant obstruction that would have dragged the whole thing out for months, if not years.

There was not obstruction, you cannot use that as an excuse.

SO....

Why didn't the house do the right thing and compel them all to testify under oath then???

plasmahal · 23 Jan 2020 at 18:35

chroniclard said:
Were you outraged at all the paedos that you didnt know about did paedo stuff?

what garbage are you on about???

How is it relevant here....

chroniclard · 23 Jan 2020 at 18:36

plasmahal said:
what garbage are you on about???

How is it relevant here....

Irony.

plasmahal said:
There was not obstruction, you cannot use that as an excuse.

SO....

Why didn't the house do the right thing and compel them all to testify under oath then???

Because Trump blocked them and they didnt want to spend years in court.

Jono8 · 23 Jan 2020 at 18:37

Trusty said:
You can't be that dense?

I am happy for you to point me to the parts where it accuses Obama of ordering the spying on trump for personal/political benefit....