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MumboJumbo said:
I had to make some edits because some of the syntax was pretty awful haha. I too am trying to get together a team, I have a few friends who will get dota 2 but not all of them will be very good. My suggestion to people is to learn to play all the heroes but specialise in 3/4. If you don't play all the heroes you won't learn their weaknesses. Every hero that might be considered more powerful than others has a counter to it that can shut it down.

For example, anti mage may be powerful late game but if you keep denying him his farm he will never reach his potential and will spend most of the game outside of the team fights, making it 4v5 for you. Furthermore, if you silence him and then stun him he can't blink away and his spell shield cannot block pure damage so a hero like outworld destroyer can decimate him with his 200-300 pure damage auto attack and slardars powerful stuns and hits will tear AM apart if he doesn't have the farm to get decent items.

Unfortunately it is rare that you cant a competent team able to perform such simple tasks as not feeding the enemy hard carry. If you watch pro games on join dota you will see how effectively a team can shut down the strongest of heroes to prevent late game dominance. Usually the most effective way is to get prophet or chen and push the towers. It's hard to farm when you don't have your t1/t2 towers and can be ganked easily in the jungle.
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I find it sufficient to just read up on each champion rather than play them all which can be really time consuming. I'm still working my way through the roster to find out who I like best though :)

Jakiro, Drow Ranger and Bloodseeker are my favs atm.
 
Kamwah said:
I find it sufficient to just read up on each champion rather than play them all which can be really time consuming. I'm still working my way through the roster to find out who I like best though :)

Jakiro, Drow Ranger and Bloodseeker are my favs atm.
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Don't get to see Jakiro much, though not many people play him like the support hero he actually is.

Bloodseeker is an absolute blast in pubs, you can absolutely decimate a team with him. I would suggest riki if you like him as I often get games with riki of no deaths. All he requires is smart farming and knowledge of the game to know when to hang back so you don't get ganked. Helps if your team are competent enough to actually shout out when a hero is missing in their lane.

Generally I only ever see drow played by incompetent players who want an OP nuker and think drow is the way to go. Not to say you are as not everyone who plays drow can be incompetent, just the maybe 10 times i've seen her played. At the end of the day though, drow makes for a lousy hard carry and is too squishy mid game to really be of use to the team. It is why you will never see her in a pro game, or bloodseeker for that matter. Not sure i've seen Jakiro either before in one.

If you are good with squishy heroes you simply have to try shadow shaman. Such a powerful hero when played properly and picked up by pros regularly, the three you listed are not actually used in pro games because they are too easily countered without offering anything to the team really. OF course, pub is a different matter ;).

Another you might like is the flying bat guy, forgot his name. Though he is more team orientated, powerful hero though.

Also I would argue that just a brief read up of a hero can't really get you into the mind of how someone might be playing it. For example, first night vs a night stalker the whole team should pull back to towers and group up. A first night gank is crucial for a successful night stalker and without it he will be easily gankerble before the next night. Or perhaps that if you go up against a brood mother you will see her soloing on the long lane without fail so you should automatically pick up some sentry wards if you are going long lane.

But I think the most important thing that you cannot grasp from reading is the survivability of a hero. If you play a hero you will learn how much damage you can out put before your mana dissipates early on and you will learn how much of a beating you can take and who you can and cant out run and who really counters you badly. You can't read that stuff up and remember it on all heroes and even if you could it would take you longer than playing them and you wouldn't gain the same knowledge.

Did you know if you hit random you get 850 starting gold instead of 600? Good incentive to learn heroes through going random as the extra gold allows you to increase your early damage a lot, allowing you to out last hit your enemies. They cannot deny you if they deal 55 damage and you deal 70. Simple as that. I would argue that your team setup would be more balanced if everyone went random rather than the standard carry/ganker setup.
 
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I doubt a game can be released when they do not yet own the legal rights to the name of it.
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Well they've released the beta and have shown no signs of slowing down with it, in the end they can just rename it, no?

You have to be very pessimistic thinking this game won't be released.
 
MumboJumbo said:
Did you know if you hit random you get 850 starting gold instead of 600? Good incentive to learn heroes through going random as the extra gold allows you to increase your early damage a lot, allowing you to out last hit your enemies. They cannot deny you if they deal 55 damage and you deal 70. Simple as that. I would argue that your team setup would be more balanced if everyone went random rather than the standard carry/ganker setup.
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I didn't know that, I'll give it a go.


Haha I probably am incompetent tbh. I usually finish with a positive K+D although it's a team game so K+D isn't really important.

I've played about a dozen LoL matches and I dislike the higher number of ******** on there and the terrible graphics. I'm still quite a big noob at DotA but i'm going to stick with it while I'm not playing SC2.
 
Purdy said:
Well they've released the beta and have shown no signs of slowing down with it, in the end they can just rename it, no?

You have to be very pessimistic thinking this game won't be released.
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Didn't say it won't be released, I'm saying they can't legaly release it without owning the name and the legal documentation has dates on it through april next year so unless the whole process gets sped up, which is not in blizzards interest and never happens in court, the game cannot be released until they own the name.

The fact it is in beta is irrelevant. They may end up changing the name just to get it released or possibly getting some court order to do so with pending investigation to the possibility that they may need to rename it.

It is possible that they do currently own the name and blizzard are disputing it, in which case they can release the game but will see a catastrophic fine and problems if they lose the case.


Kamwah said:
I didn't know that, I'll give it a go.


Haha I probably am incompetent tbh. I usually finish with a positive K+D although it's a team game so K+D isn't really important.

I've played about a dozen LoL matches and I dislike the higher number of ******** on there and the terrible graphics. I'm still quite a big noob at DotA but i'm going to stick with it while I'm not playing SC2.
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Well deaths are very important. If you keep letting the enemy carry kill you it is GG. Like I said, nightstalker getting first blood first night in the game is going to make your life miserable through mid game. Deny him that and go on the counter against him before the second night and he will be at a level disadvantage through the second night and unable to take early dominance through mid game. Effectively you have castrated their most prominent semi-carry from hurting your mid game. Someone like drow ranger would be a top contender for a very easy first night gank from nightcrawler and there isn't really anything you could do to stop it apart from budding up with some baby sitters.

I actually forgot to add the "baby sitter role" into my private game team. People like dazzle, earth shaker etc are baby sitters. Earth shaker is one of the best baby sitters in the game in fact and makes for a great companion to a hard carry on a duo lane.

As for K/D goes. If a hard carry has a poor K/D and the game has gone on long I would suggest they find another role until they learn to farm better. Come 40min into a game the hard carry should be a serious threat to the enemy team. If you aren't, your farming isn't up to par and you are likely spending too long away from lane or dead or both. The hard carry tends not to get involved in ganks as that is the semi-carrys role. A semi carry should also have a decent K-D because he has a good 20min window to truly gank the enemy nicely before anyone can really challenge him 1 on 1. People who shouldn't have a good K-D are imitators and support. If they do then they don't understand how to play. Last hits should be given to the carrys and most importantly, a initator or support should suicide them selves to save the carry if it is a guaranteed save. For example, VS would switch places with sharp shooter before he was ganked and sacrifice him self because VS doesn't need the money that sharp shooter would lose and sharp shooter needs the up time to farm and gain XP.

The game has such potential for truly spectacular coordination and team play, but you can't see it in pub. I've never seen a VS use their ulti suicide them selves for the greater good.


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IF you are trying to learn to lane effectively I highly recommend you watch purge's youtube videos. He commentates while he plays and he plays all the characters so you can watch how to play effectively. He also did a few tutorial videos about starting items, how to lane against noobs etc and they are worth a watch.

The most important thing is to stay in lane so you keep gaining xp, never go back to base unless you can help it. That is why the courier is so important but you never see them in pub games because people are selfish noobs.
 
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MumboJumbo said:
Didn't say it won't be released, I'm saying they can't legaly release it without owning the name and the legal documentation has dates on it through april next year so unless the whole process gets sped up, which is not in blizzards interest and never happens in court, the game cannot be released until they own the name.

The fact it is in beta is irrelevant. They may end up changing the name just to get it released or possibly getting some court order to do so with pending investigation to the possibility that they may need to rename it.

It is possible that they do currently own the name and blizzard are disputing it, in which case they can release the game but will see a catastrophic fine and problems if they lose the case.
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Seems more than likely, but you came out with the game won't be around for long as if that seemed like the most likely outcome.

You really think Valve would go this far in production and put this much money behind it and have not checked the legalities of using the name and even if they can't just rename everything :)
 
Purdy said:
Seems more than likely, but you came out with the game won't be around for long as if that seemed like the most likely outcome.

You really think Valve would go this far in production and put this much money behind it and have not checked the legalities of using the name and even if they can't just rename everything :)
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Please quote where I said that.
 
Kamwah said:
Time for some Broodmother =D My fav champ but I'm not too good with her yet.
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One of my favourite heroes, I've had games where I've only died once or twice because the enemy team refused to use wards and dust.

Key points to remember:

1) The brood mother will overtake all heroes in leveling because she is capable of staying in the lane at all times and thus always gaining xp.

2) Do not feed them with your spiders. They are worth money and I believe xp and this will cause your team to lose if you feed them spiders. Spiders must be used conservatively.

3) You can use your spiders to jungle, get a group of them and send them out to kill the neutral creatures, this way you don't feed the enemy and can get some serious farm.

4) DENY, brood is very easy to deny with and in doing so you will out level your opposition at an alarming rate. You should be a last hitting master with brood.

5) You should be soloing your lane and be playing on the long lane (also called hard lane).

6) Get a soul ring early.


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I presume when you said that I'm saying the game won't be around for a long time as me stating that it will be released and then cancelled as that's the only thing that made sense because regardless of if they rename it, this game isn't going to be released for a long time. The legalities involved will take a while. Their only option to release it this year is to release it under the same name on the assumption they will win the case and I'm not even sure if they can legally do that. I presume that they own the rights to the name until proven otherwise but I only know that they filed a petition for the rights to the name, I'm not sure if they actually were given them before blizzard got involved or if there is some sort of trial period when you can't own a name until people have had a chance to argue it.
 
Does anyone have spare key? Poor TNA has been trying so hard to find one with little success. Can anyone can help this poor soul out?

Pretty please?

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Sigh, I can't stand this community. "I go mid or I feed". A lich, support class who buys gauntlets instead of courier or wards when there is an OD and nightstalker who both are better candidates for mid. I quit because I just can't be bothered in playing with just complete poo heads and what happens. Oh you abandoned your game, we will now punish you by putting you in the low priority pool for games because you run away from your games instead of playing.
 
These are the same issues I have with Heroes of Newerth. I love the game but I ****ing hate the people who play it. Apparently I am utterly incapable of choosing a lane. No matter which lane I pick it's always the wrong one according to the bell-ends I get thrown in with.

It's gotten to the point where at the start of a game I'll say "right just tell me which ****ing lane you want me to take to save arguments".

Or I never pick the right gear, that's another one. If I jungle I should be laning, if I lane I should be jungling, etc etc. I'm fed up with it. I have never known such a foul community as the people who play MOBAs. It's a shame because I really like the games on a technical level.

All I can suggest is try Rise of Immortals. It's kind of a dumbed-down version of games like HoN or DotA, but at least the community is decent.
 
Ok 4 games in a row I've had the most incompetent teams imaginable in to the point where we just had one guy 0-11 in a lane with 2 rangers vs a solo ursa who bought a vangard as his first thing in our safe lane. HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?

I switched to US east to get away from the incredibly rude and irritating ruskies and I would say they are better but my god they are stubborn. They all argue everything!
 
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