Dover Ferry Queues
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I've only ever had a pee in France, on a trip to the Czech republic. Always thought I should visit but meh. A lot of the traffic at Dover will just be passing through France to somewhere better, or even Belgium.
It's not an opinion, the last two pages are literally filled with people like yourself attacking the poster rather than the argument, that's not an opinion it's there in black&white.
Just because you say it's ignorance doesn't magically make it so, if you and others insist acting like you're in the school yard instead of making some attempt to form coherent rebuttals you have no way of knowing if it's ignorance or not, because the moment someone tries to engage you in reasoned discussion you resort to whining about "Spewing so much mental garbage", claiming you "lack the desire to waste a Saturday morning arguing" and then proceeding to make multiple posts using arguing about things.
The French are kicking back though...
It had been claimed on Friday that lengthy delays around the port were due to a lack of French border control officials.
However, Mr Dumont says "that is not true".
He added: "Almost 100% of the kiosks given to the French police to run the checks at the Port of Dover are filled with French police officers.
"We cannot do more, we cannot go faster than that.
"The fact is the port is a very small one, it is three to four times smaller than the port in Calais and I saw that two years ago the British government decided not to give money to the Port of Dover to improve the number of kiosks for the French police.
"We are doing whatever we can, we cannot do more because of structural facts."
Mr Dumont ultimately blamed the problems "squarely on ******".
He said: "Because of ******, we need to have more checks on passports, we need to stamp every passport, we need checks on who is coming into the European Union – something we didn’t have to do before ******.
"The Port of Dover is too small to have all this traffic."
And he warned: "That's how it will go for years if there is no transformation into the Port of Dover."
French MP says it is 'not true' there was a lack of French border control at Dover yesterday
Pierre-Henri Dumont, the Republican MP for Calais, told Sky News in the last hour that "almost 100%" of the kiosks at the Port of Dover allocated to the French police were filled yesterday.It had been claimed on Friday that lengthy delays around the port were due to a lack of French border control officials.
However, Mr Dumont says "that is not true".
He added: "Almost 100% of the kiosks given to the French police to run the checks at the Port of Dover are filled with French police officers.
"We cannot do more, we cannot go faster than that.
"The fact is the port is a very small one, it is three to four times smaller than the port in Calais and I saw that two years ago the British government decided not to give money to the Port of Dover to improve the number of kiosks for the French police.
"We are doing whatever we can, we cannot do more because of structural facts."
Mr Dumont ultimately blamed the problems "squarely on ******".
He said: "Because of ******, we need to have more checks on passports, we need to stamp every passport, we need checks on who is coming into the European Union – something we didn’t have to do before ******.
"The Port of Dover is too small to have all this traffic."
And he warned: "That's how it will go for years if there is no transformation into the Port of Dover."
Ever been to Dover or travelled through the port?
Not sure what he thinks the staff working at the border control posts used to do before 2019.
Can't argue with him there. Unfortunately, catering for such huge variations in demand makes it very difficult. This time last week the roads were empty.
Yes, although I'm not sure why that's relevant to me pointing out that you said you lack a desire to waste a Saturday morning arguing and then proceeding to spend a Saturday morning arguing or why it's relevant to you claiming that pages of posts that attacked the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than addressing the substance of the argument itself.
Or for that matter what me ever having been to Dover or travelled through the port has to do with the fact that French border controls should be done in France, that juxtaposed controls are simply not working, that people said they wanted to take back control of our borders but want to seemingly do anything but.
Nobody was entering the EU via Dover before - they were already inside the EU. There's more checks which need to be done for travellers entering the EU now.
Here's some info from the BBC site:
Oh I didn't realise your umbrance was that I'm not getting on with the housework.
Thanks for re-stating your position, I was loosing track. You appear to be confusing your opinion about border control with facts again.
Thanks for re-stating your position, I was loosing track. You appear to be confusing your opinion about border control with facts again.
Ban.
See post 14
Yea because that's exactly what you said isn't it, you said I'm getting on with housework and not at all that you lack a desire to waste a Saturday morning arguing.
I've also not taken umbrage, if you want to lie to people that's your choice. I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of saying you lacked desire to spend a Saturday morning arguing when that clearly wasn't true.
You loosing track really doesn't come as a surprise, just like your inability to distinguish between facts and opinions. That people want to take back control of our borders is not an opinion, it's a historical fact. That juxtaposed controls are not working is not an opinion it's a fact as proven by the very same Dover ferry queues that this here thread is about. That French border controls should be done in France is not an opinion it's a fact because people voted for exactly that when they voted to take back control of our borders, French border officials deciding who can and can't leave a UK border is not taking back control.
No, because like you I've been busy doing other stuff but unlike you i don't feel the need to lie to people about lacking desire to argue when I'm actually doing other things between answering just because i can't come up with an reasoned rebuttal to what someone posted.
Much like you just did with my answer to your "Ever been to Dover or travelled through the port" question that now seem totally irrelevant.
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Is this the root cause of your xenophobia?
FWIW most of the French think the Parisians are rude and don't have much time for them.
Your father couldn't have picked a worse place to practice his terrible french.
I use my likewise terrible french when I go to france and they tend to show no sign at all of having any issue.
Like I would say every country I have visited they appreciate some attempt at using the local language even if its just to say please and thankyou, oh and of course a large beer please
Certainly sounds like the father from Matilda doesn't it.
This is what happens when you let them escape from SC. Back in your hole i say.
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Chris Wilsons one trip abroad 40 years ago, explains a lot
eta: I‘m guessing TalbotHorizon Solara.
eta: I‘m guessing Talbot
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And only Paris which whilst I love it can be quite elitist. Not even other parts of the world with an equivalent or if not significant amount of culture and interesting people and experiences.Chris Wilsons one trip abroad 40 years ago, explains a lot
eta: I‘m guessing TalbotHorizonSolara.
People keep saying things like "not enough border staff" or "undermanned booths" but if there isn't a minimum staffing level or service level in the juxtaposed controls agreement then they can run at what ever capacity the nation wants to.
Almost like the receiving country can control the throttle?