Caporegime
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Drink Driving
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[TW]Fox;17210833 said:Shock as TangoSixteen posts more rubbish
A lot of what he has said you have said in the past.
He does seem "pro" drink driving but everyone knows their limits, if people choose nil, that is fine by me, but someone who drinks 1 or 2 pints and feels safe is fine as far as i am concerned, although they have to accept the consequences if they are over the limit.
I think 10% of fatal accidents is pretty high and obviously it cannot be argued it is a good thing, but life is full of risks and it more a case of managing them.
For example lowering the limit is unlikely to save many lives, i would rather spend the money tackling those drivers who will drive regardless of the limit i.e. those that are more likely to kill someone.
Over the last 10 years many things have been sensationalised and issues such as drink driving and speeding risks have been overstated.
Drink driving, speed, poor driving can all kill, education and training will have a more positve outcome in the long term than scaring the majority who use their common sense anyway.
Soldato
I love how so many people in this sub-forum seem to hate each other 
I did it once when I was about 18, bloody stupid and I learnt my lesson, fortunately without hurting myself and most importantly, anyone else.
I did it once when I was about 18, bloody stupid and I learnt my lesson, fortunately without hurting myself and most importantly, anyone else.
Also remember the Ambulance doesn't have to worry too much about speed limits and traffic, you do.
Plus as said A to B in your own car, there is no professional treatment what so ever.
Once the Ambluance is there you can then start getting treatment.
Again it's not going to be ideal for every situation, but I'm willing to bet that most times people think omg I need to drive them to the hospital an Ambulance would be perfectly adequate.
As for drinking an ddriving, personally I don't drink when I've got to drive (infact I don't really drink at all anymore) but I don' thave aproblem with people having one, being below the limit, and driving. Not something I'd choose to do though.
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Soldato
Stockhausen in sensible post shocker!
No, but your assumptions are nonsense in the first place. Unless you happen to know where your nearest ambulance station is relative to your nearest hospital, as well as privy to the location of every ambulance, RRV and community responder, you can't just assume that waiting times between treatment would be the same either way. The only reason you've done so is because not doing so would destroy your argument in the first place.
I've been told before that the body naturally produces trace amounts of alcohol; not sure how true this is but if so, it would lead to people being over the limit naturally.
The rather easy counter-argument to that is that ambulances, community responders etc could be further away than the nearest hospital thereby increasing their response time. Or they could all be busy. Or several other scenarios. Which then ruins your argument.
The better point of attack is that treatment can begin as soon as the ambulance arrives not the round trip journey
Caporegime
"Unless you happen to know"...some people, seriously
.Well yes that's the obvious response. Obvious to some, anyway.
Do you think he had a half or a whole pint?
Snap.
I stick to water when I'm at the pub. If I drink, I drink to get merry or full blown ratted. I enjoy a nice cider in the summer but if I'm driving I don't go near the stuff.
I wouldn't want there to be even the slightest doubt in my mind that any accident/fatality I should *touch wood, never ever* cause is down to poor vision/awareness/reaction because of a 'harmless' pint.
Yes, currently serving a two year ban
Thanks for the laugh, needed that.Having lost a good mate to an incredibly drunk driver, I personally have very strong feelings about the matter. Somebody who drinks & drives knows what they're doing, and they should be treated as such.
It's a risk, and you accept the outcome.
To be clear, there's a big difference between somebody having a couple of pints in the evening and getting caught out the following morning (in my opinion), and somebody who goes out and gets tanked, and then drives home. One is stupidity and ignorance, the other is just completely wreckless. What's worse is it's wreckless with other people's lives, not their own.
By the way, the point about drink driving & ambulances etc. does have some statute. Essentially if you break the law in order to mitigate a threat to life and limb you can be deemed to be in the right.
The problem you have is that you absolutely have to prove you had no other choice and that it was the best choice available.
When I was in the states a few years ago (as a side note, I think they have explicit laws about such things) there was a case going on about a father who had taken his daughter to hospital after having too much to drink. He'd also given her a DIY tracheotomy after find her chocking on something she'd decided to eat.
He was discharged after an awful lot of public wrangling. While he did the *wrong* thing legally he did the *right* thing for his daughter. There was also the side-issue of the point & reasoning for punishing somebody for something that absolutely saved his daughter's life. No public interested there is there?
The problem you have is that you absolutely have to prove you had no other choice and that it was the best choice available.
When I was in the states a few years ago (as a side note, I think they have explicit laws about such things) there was a case going on about a father who had taken his daughter to hospital after having too much to drink. He'd also given her a DIY tracheotomy after find her chocking on something she'd decided to eat.
He was discharged after an awful lot of public wrangling. While he did the *wrong* thing legally he did the *right* thing for his daughter. There was also the side-issue of the point & reasoning for punishing somebody for something that absolutely saved his daughter's life. No public interested there is there?
lolhausen.... oh wait hang on, I am in full agreement with this post.
Seriously though you are quite correct, if driving don't drink.