Driving pet hates...

People who drive with their fog lights on "because it looks cool"

On the flip side, people who completely forgot, or simply cannot be bothered putting their fog lights on in bad weather/fog. I was driving from Leeds to Liverpool a couple of weeks back and the M62 had signs for high wind, torrential rain too. Literally couldn't see more than maybe 20ft in-front and there are people driving without foglights, and even normal lights in some cases.
 
People driving at night without lights on. Had a Black Audi A3/S3 come flying round one of the many roundabouts in MK last night without any lights on, causing me to stamp on the middle pedal. I've also followed people at night who've neglected to put their lights on, and they seem to be oblivious to me and other users flashing them with high-beam to try and point it out to them. It seems to happen more and more these days, is it because of the increasing prevalence of DRLs causing people to think their lights are on?

People driving in heavy rain/fog with no lights on. Particularly silver/grey cars. I'm not even talking fog lights, I mean even side lights...

People driving for ages after turning with their indicator still on. How oblivious do you have to be?!

People on a roundabout indicating to leave the island at a particular exit before the previous exit
 
Agreed that flashing in the eyes of the law means *I am here" but when has it ever meant that in real life. I'm pretty sure there have been some cases where the flasher was found partially to blame when the flashee pulled out and hit someone.

People who drive with their fog lights on "because it looks cool"

On the flip side, people who completely forgot, or simply cannot be bothered putting their fog lights on in bad weather/fog. I was driving from Leeds to Liverpool a couple of weeks back and the M62 had signs for high wind, torrential rain too. Literally couldn't see more than maybe 20ft in-front and there are people driving without foglights, and even normal lights in some cases.

If it's foggy I'll switch on and off my rear fog light based on traffic, and conditions - on a NSL road then it's on, sitting in a queue of 40 cars stationary then it'll get turned off to save it burning the retinas of the driver behind. I think they can probably see me as I'm 4ft away...

There's always a silver car with no lights at all on in the fog though, they're literally invisible.
 
Many reasons...

It's no inconvenience to me.
I can't see anything but the ******** behind me, blocking out rear vision and further blinding with his stupid lights anyway, so who cares if he's inconvenienced?
I've no reason not to.
I feel like it.
The car waiting to pull out might have been there for ages.
******** shouldn't be so close behind me anyway.
If he really doesn't like it, he can **** off and blast past while standing on his horn like others do.

Justify it to yourself however you think substantiates your position in your own head, with statistics, studies, logic and whatever else you care to pull out of your arse - I'm still letting the occasional car pull out. Get the **** over it and get on with your journey.


So what? Maybe you drive a particularly wide Merc with caravan mirrors on. Not every car is the same and most will still have their rear view blocked by ******** in his SUV driving too close behind.


Like I said, at the point where people decided "I'm here" could also mean "Look over here, see me stopped and waiting to let you out".
It's not correct, but some people just started adopting it.


The brighter your lights, the more presence you have, and might is right.

But it is an inconvenience to you if you stop do youre first point makes no sense.

Maybe you're just vindictive and want to inconvenience yourself AND those behind you too.

I can't get on with my journey if the person in front forces me to stop though.
 
it's only an inconvenience to you if it causes you trouble. I hardly think stopping to let somebody out qualifies.
It can be dangerous, if you're driving along a road with no other traffic on the main road, and a car just randomly stops, that's gonna be at least a little bit unexpected, isn't it?

And to back this up:
In Gussman v Gratton-Storey the Defendant applied her breaks violently in order to avoid hitting a pheasant running across the road. The driver behind was unable to stop and collided with the Defendant’s vehicle. The Defendant (lead driver) was held liable as the sudden stop was in effect held to be unreasonable.

You can see the difficult precedent that this case sets. It leaves a difficult decision as to just when it is reasonable to stop suddenly.

For example, would one type of animal running into the road cause a reasonable sudden stop and another type of animal running into the road cause a sudden stop that was unreasonable? It’s a bit like deciding which animals you can drive over and which ones must be treated as though they were human.

Each case is considered on its facts; if you collided into the back of another vehicle then it’s likely that a Court would hold you at fault. However, if the car in front stopped suddenly without any or any good reason, then the driver of the vehicle that stopped suddenly may be at fault. Say the driver stopped suddenly due to ducks in the road, a Court may say that this was an insufficient reason to brake and stop suddenly.

If stopping for a small animal running across the road is deemed as an unreasonable reason to stop, then stopping to let a car out onto a road on which you have right of way, I would think, would fall under this too.

Why would they be?
As the flashee, is is 100% YOUR responsibility to make sure it's safe to proceed. You NEVER rely on other people to tell you what's safe. That includes getting your passenger to check Left for you when pulling out, or the like. YOU are still 100% liable.

But feel free to Google it and find evidence to the contrary.

I 100% agree, it is the car pulling out's responsibility to check that it is safe to proceed. However, if you're the car letting a car out against the normal right of way, you should at least check that it's not going to cause an immediate accident. That's what my pet hate was. Cars letting other cars out when there's either no-where for them to go, or when it's dangerous for them to pull out. Often when this happens I won't pull out (because it's not safe to do so) and the car letting me out just sits there for 30 seconds, blocking the traffic behind, and gesticulating for me to pull out... :rolleyes::mad: "No thanks mate, I'll choose when I want to pull out, thankyouverymuch!" :D

For instance, you're sat in a queue of traffic, barely crawling along, there's a car waiting at a side road to turn right, into the opposite lane. You notice a bike filtering (completely legally) down the outside of the traffic queue you're in. Do you still wave (or give any indication you see fit) to allow the car to pull out? The driver pulling out won't be able to see the biker until it's too late, and obviously the biker should be anticipating this sort of thing by looking for gaps in the traffic. The biker has right of way over the car pulling out. But, as the car on the main road signalling to the other driver 'yes, you may pull out in front of me' should there not be at least a small amount of responsibility on your part to make sure the you're not putting other road users in danger by giving that signal?
 
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Sequential indicators, stupid things!

Can they be set to normal flash?


What’s wrong with “left, left left”?

Now it’s all “leeeeeeefffft, leeeeeeeft, leeeeeeeft”

You really wouldn't like my indicators then.

Split 50/50 - so, "LEFT, FURTHER LEFT, LEFT, FURTHER LEFT"
 
Why would they be?
As the flashee, is is 100% YOUR responsibility to make sure it's safe to proceed. You NEVER rely on other people to tell you what's safe. That includes getting your passenger to check Left for you when pulling out, or the like. YOU are still 100% liable.

Powell v Moody (1966) said:
The defendant was exiting a minor road onto a main road. There was a queue of traffic on the main road, and he was invited to leave the minor road by a driver on the main road in the queue of traffic. As he did so the claimant, on a motorbike, was riding along the offside of the queue and collided with the defendant’s vehicle. The judge found the claimant to be 80% to blame, as any party jumping a queue of stationary vehicles is ‘undertaking an operation fraught with great hazard’.

This case is frequently used by insurers to reduce the amount of compensation they pay out even though it is often not relevant.

in this case the motorcyclist had to take some responsibility as although ultimately the defendant had not made sure it was completely clear the motorcyclist was completing a at risk manoeuvre. So no you are not always 100% liable if you respond to being flashed out...

 
it's only an inconvenience to you if it causes you trouble. I hardly think stopping to let somebody out qualifies.

Forcing 1-3 cars to break, stop and then accelerate is clearly an inconvenience. That's obvious.

I can tell by the way that ttaskmaster writes that he is clearly an angry angry person or just a "I'm going to do this and so what if I **** everyone else off kind of guy".

Maybe one day he'll find his happy place
 
cyclists :rolleyes:

really should've just killed him this morning. 3-way round about, i was turning right and had the right of way yet he just kept on going straight over, probably because he was too lazy to break. :mad:
 
cyclists :rolleyes:

really should've just killed him this morning. 3-way round about, i was turning right and had the right of way yet he just kept on going straight over, probably because he was too lazy to break. :mad:

I get that with car drivers every morning. If I hit them in the pickup it would soon wake them up...
 
Forcing 1-3 cars to break, stop and then accelerate is clearly an inconvenience. That's obvious.

Not to him.

I can tell by the way that ttaskmaster writes that he is clearly an angry angry person or just a "I'm going to do this and so what if I **** everyone else off kind of guy".

Maybe one day he'll find his happy place

Yep, maybe.
 
Sequential indicators, stupid things!
Can they be set to normal flash?

just a fashion thing ? ... as soon as they are on all cars and become passe, we'll be back to the original version (like flared trousers)
they always remind me of the roadwork get into lane lights....perhaps more familiar on the continent
at a couple of hundred meters is their much else to distinguish one new brand of car from another these days, with aerodynamic and safety constraints.

Well, as usual, all I can see is an SUV Crossover thing up my arse, blocking everything and blinding me with high beam lights on
the SUV drivers are generally named and shamed when you get to a roundabout, and the manouverability of their shiip becomes evident to all,
if they are following one, people don't seem to let the gap open up, because due to power2weight/manouverability the suv usually has a smaller window to decide to go or stop.


Gesticulation from the driver to the passenger in the car ahead and obvious lack of attention is annoying, (I'm sure we've had that before)
and equally if I am the passenger being gesticulated too, I will call them out.
 
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