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Drop your prices Nvidia. Please?
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This what i think.
Nvidia looking down voltage increase is not a good sign, AMD don't, In Fact that Asus DC II Top i linked has increased the unlocked voltage levels to 1.4v.
What are Nvidia worried about? if they are confident the GPU Chip, VRM's, Mosfets and Caps can take the extra current then why look it down?
Here is some conjecture from me, i have heard a lot more horror stories about GTX 4## and GTX 5## Series GPU's going bang than i have AMD.
That very well could be nothing to do with quality, or maybe it is.
All i know is if i bought a Motherboard and then found it's looked or low level limited in CPU overvolting / clocking i would be asking why did they do that? Do they think it will go bang or shorten it's life a lot?
Maybe they don't want someone who has no idea about overclocking a card ramming so many volts through it and then complaining "It is broken" and now I want another one. The amount of cards returned because of over volting must be incredible. I don't like the fact that Nvidia have done this but hey ho, all good. It makes good sense if you are honest as you will be making more profit.
As for the 4## and 5## going bang, this is the first I have heard of it.
As for the 4## and 5## going bang, this is the first I have heard of it.
There was an issue with one of the recent dual GPU cards (can't remember if it was the 590 or the 690) and a specific set of drivers resulting in the GPUs burning out, but the single GPU cards were all ok as far as I'm aware.
There is obviously a limit to what the cards can take, it's why they never have let you overvolt them indefinitely, that would be daft.
But to lock it out completely? or watter it down to minimal levels?
Again, it's seems to me one reason someone would do that is if the card can't take it.
You would not be suggesting AMD let anyone overvolt to the point where it damages the card, any more than Nvidia would, would you?
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Was the 590.
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Even with the updated drivers you can put nearly 450w through them. With the older drivers some of the review sites were putting a lot more than that through them with err unfortunate results.
I've probably owned about 2:1 ratio of graphics cards in faviour of AMD. This does not mean I would neglect to buy an nvidia card tomorrow if I needed one and it was the current best bang per buck at the price point I was buying at. That's how I have always bought and when I have, it has happened to be AMD more. As for drivers, both companies have had issues over the years, both had ups and downs in terms of performance, heat, power usage etc. I think the fanboy thing is over hyped. People are welcome to an opinion. If they harp on about one over another and it's plain false info or whatever, argue back. Or stop caring/posting. I don't see these problem users really. Someone even asking for this thread to be locked above. Why?
The one crying about how awful this thread is and how it should be locked is guilty of the above, making silly comments, getting into an argument about it and then crying about how bad you are for disagreeing. He does that to appear "neutral".
Disagreeing with him seems to upset him. Too many people have emotional responses about graphics cards, which is why you get some people crying about this kind of stuff. Interestingly though, I have noticed that particular comments of his have changed. Initially, any comment that wasn't praising nVidia would be labelled as a fanboy driven comments.
It gets tiresome not being able to have a debate, discussion or talk about things without people getting upset and calling people fanboys for being critical. Some people think positive comments about nVidia are just "neutral" opinions, making the claim that AMD drivers have loads of issues is also a "neutral" opinion, but to say anything about nVidia that isn't positive? FANBOY!
I'm not even pretending I don't have an issue with nVidia, but my issue with nVidia has absolutely nothing to do with AMD, and everything to do with things that nVidia have done, a lot of people have a hard time understanding and processing that.
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I have no idea why Nvidia have done this and don't care to be honest. I am happy with my cards and the fact they cost a fair bit was my choice. I don't ever feel the need to justify my purchase by slating AMD and in most cases, I recommend AMD to potential punters because the price of Nvidia cards is too high.
My games are great and I am sure any AMD user will say the same
Happy days all round.Edit:
I love a good discussion also but don't get personal because that is very play ground style and not warranted in a GPU forums. I am a self confessed Nvidia fanboy but that is not to say if AMD bring out a card that Nvidia can't compete with, I wouldn't swap over.
Ohhh and for the record...Nvidia is far superior to AMD in every way
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I have no idea why Nvidia have done this and don't care to be honest. I am happy with my cards and the fact they cost a fair bit was my choice. I don't ever feel the need to justify my purchase by slating AMD and in most cases, I recommend AMD to potential punters because the price of Nvidia cards is too high.
My games are great and I am sure any AMD user will say the same
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I love a good discussion also but don't get personal because that is very play ground style and not warranted in a GPU forums. I am a self confessed Nvidia fanboy but that is not to say if AMD bring out a card that Nvidia can't compete with, I wouldn't swap over.
The problem is, some people will convince themselves that anyone who complains about nVidia's lack of voltage tweaking is because they're a fanboy and obsessed with AMD, and they're only complaining about it is to justify their purchase of an AMD card to themselves.
Whilst you don't care about it for yourself, I would like to think you could appreciate the reasons why some one might have an issue with it, right?
Personally, I can't say the voltage locking bothers me either as I tend not to overclock my GPUs that much, when I end up picking up some 7950s, it might change of course since the option's there, but it's never really been something I've ever been too fussed over.
Also, whilst you don't tend to get aggressive, you do seem to get upset when you're disagreed with, not as bad as others of course but still.
It annoyed the heck outta me that Nvidia locked the volts but once I accepted the fact, I was happy about it. I wouldn't be surprised if AMD follow suit with future GPU releases.
As for me getting upset, it will never happen in a GPU discussion board.
As for me getting upset, it will never happen in a GPU discussion board.
. Still no need to replace it yet!I have no idea why Nvidia have done this and don't care to be honest. I am happy with my cards and the fact they cost a fair bit was my choice. I don't ever feel the need to justify my purchase by slating AMD and in most cases, I recommend AMD to potential punters because the price of Nvidia cards is too high.
My games are great and I am sure any AMD user will say the same
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I love a good discussion also but don't get personal because that is very play ground style and not warranted in a GPU forums. I am a self confessed Nvidia fanboy but that is not to say if AMD bring out a card that Nvidia can't compete with, I wouldn't swap over.
Ohhh and for the record...Nvidia is far superior to AMD in every way
That's an odd way to put it. nothing in there is any sort of attack on you as an individual or as a self confessed Nvidia Fanboi
It's a genuine of interest question on an enthusiast forum, that's why it's been brought up.
For someone to bring it up does not make them anti Nvidia, or a Fanboi.
And there is nothing of that in what i have said there.
No one wants to walk around on eggshells around here, there is nothing remotely personal about anything i have said to you.
I hope you understand that.
Indeed.
I meant in general and was mainly replying to Spoffle about me getting upset. It wasn't directed at you Humbug
I don`t think prices of Nvidia cards will drop, not until nVidia can be sure; how many SKU`s it can obtain with the gk110 chip or the 7+ series, as with the gk104 chip. Getting 4/5 cards/sku`s out of one chip takes time (see gk104). #The leaks on AMD 8870/50 also tells us that AMD "maybe" attacking with its middle end first because nvidia will have no answer until later in the year, until top end filters down - AMD does not need to do this and can attack from any end it likes (Am not saying it will be 88xx but AMD have that option).
The 680/670/ is not more power efficient vs the 7970/7950, unless you are looking at games only (20+ watts = few bucks annually). As an all-rounder card, AMD wins on most levels and that is how we should look at cards – everything and not just games. Most games coming will use compute to some extent, were seeing that already. The consoles will rely on compute even more so, because there is only so much you can do with a cheap chip (heat, cost, upgrades etc)
The mid-range and lower end: AMD 7870/7850/7770/7750 has no competition (compute, power, heat and price etc) Heck – were still waiting for some nvidia chips.
The 680/670/ is not more power efficient vs the 7970/7950, unless you are looking at games only (20+ watts = few bucks annually). As an all-rounder card, AMD wins on most levels and that is how we should look at cards – everything and not just games. Most games coming will use compute to some extent, were seeing that already. The consoles will rely on compute even more so, because there is only so much you can do with a cheap chip (heat, cost, upgrades etc)
The mid-range and lower end: AMD 7870/7850/7770/7750 has no competition (compute, power, heat and price etc) Heck – were still waiting for some nvidia chips.
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Not to drag this off topic again,
But the way i look at it, both companies offer great cards, it comes down to want you and how much your willing to pay really.
But the way i look at it, both companies offer great cards, it comes down to want you and how much your willing to pay really.
I never stated it wasn't but saying AMD cards heat up your room more than nvidia is nonsense from bhavv.