i don't think i'd go back to a manual now, DSG is great
I think I'd even buy a TT to get it if nothing else was around/in budget
DSG vs Normal Auto
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I think I'd even buy a TT to get it if nothing else was around/in budget
Never heard that before. Fox is right though.
Soldato
The SMG1 on e36 and none m3 e46 / mk1 z4 dont hold you on hills at all, the first part of the throttle is almost like the clutch, need to feather it in.
If i was buying a car that an option of a decent SMG/DSG box id DEFINTIELY get one, but in the 330i it's too unreliable and a tad slow.
Tom.
If i was buying a car that an option of a decent SMG/DSG box id DEFINTIELY get one, but in the 330i it's too unreliable and a tad slow.
Tom.
Caporegime
To quote the driving instructor at work - "Thats what the ****ing handbrake is for!"
- Automatic DAF's behave in a similar way.More commonly known as facelift.
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Never put it in neutral unless you are in stationary traffic for long times, at lights it is always the foot brake. Older DSG don't have hill hold function, came in as an option erm sometime ago.
DSG drives slightly differently than a manual or a traditional auto, only complaint I have is the hesitation at junctions, its best either slow or fast not so good inbetween, I have heard the new 7 speed boxes were designed to overcome this.
DSG drives slightly differently than a manual or a traditional auto, only complaint I have is the hesitation at junctions, its best either slow or fast not so good inbetween, I have heard the new 7 speed boxes were designed to overcome this.
Soldato
You leave your foot on the brake with the gearbox in drive? I can't imagine that's doing it a lot of good???
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I'm pretty sure the VW manual says it's fine to keep your foot on the brake while sat at lights in D. You can also knock it into neutral without having to pull the little lockout button. The amount of creep is fairly minimal. You're not holding back lots of power or anything.
I love DSG. It's like having two cars. Slot it in to D for tootling and traffic jam stuff then use the paddles when you fancy driving a bit more vigorously.
I love DSG. It's like having two cars. Slot it in to D for tootling and traffic jam stuff then use the paddles when you fancy driving a bit more vigorously.
I do. I was told by my instructor that it's slightly more fuel efficient this way. Not sure if there's any truth in it though.
Caporegime
I'm not knowledgeable in the ways of the DSG gearbox by any means, but surely the gearbox 'declutches' when it senses an attempt to drive the car forward whilst the brake is depressed?
Soldato
Err - you can definitely stay at the lights with your foot on the brake pedal. The brake pedal. If you leave it in drive with handbrake on then you can feel the two fighting against each other.
In my experience DSG (2.0TDI Golf) changes are much smoother than a conventional automatic (though most conventional autos I have driven have been on pants american cars).
There are two downsides to a DSG: Firstly, when you pull away from the lights it will start at the bottom of the rev range, so if you happen to be in a major hurry (say trying to pull into a tight gap) the initial pull-away is a little slower than you achieve by slipping the clutch in a manual or in an auto with torque converter. You can get around this in an emergency by just revving the engine with your foot on the brake (either left foot braking or heel+toe) but again, you feel the brake and engine working against each other and that's going to wear down components pretty fast!
Also, an older DSG will roll back on a hill. They now all have hill-assist which applies the brake for you automatically until you touch the throttle. I've never found it to be a problem, the pedals are close enough and my feet are large enough to easily and smoothly heel and toe even pulling away on the steepest of hills.
In my experience DSG (2.0TDI Golf) changes are much smoother than a conventional automatic (though most conventional autos I have driven have been on pants american cars).
There are two downsides to a DSG: Firstly, when you pull away from the lights it will start at the bottom of the rev range, so if you happen to be in a major hurry (say trying to pull into a tight gap) the initial pull-away is a little slower than you achieve by slipping the clutch in a manual or in an auto with torque converter. You can get around this in an emergency by just revving the engine with your foot on the brake (either left foot braking or heel+toe) but again, you feel the brake and engine working against each other and that's going to wear down components pretty fast!
Also, an older DSG will roll back on a hill. They now all have hill-assist which applies the brake for you automatically until you touch the throttle. I've never found it to be a problem, the pedals are close enough and my feet are large enough to easily and smoothly heel and toe even pulling away on the steepest of hills.
Soldato
Yes it definitely de-clutches with your foot on the brake unless you start revving it. When you rev it with your foot on the brake you can feel the point at which it kicks in and starts fighting the brake.
Soldato
Well today's been a lesson for me Thanks for clearing that up - that would make sense given that you need to put your foot on the brake to use launch control!
I'd second the bit about fast getaways actually - That's the only thing I find a bit annoying is that it always seems to insist on pulling away in 2nd. It's a bit better in "S" mode but still not as good as a manual, although you can always use the manual mode it kinda defeats the point.
Thanks for clearing that up - that would make sense given that you need to put your foot on the brake to use launch control!I'd second the bit about fast getaways actually - That's the only thing I find a bit annoying is that it always seems to insist on pulling away in 2nd. It's a bit better in "S" mode but still not as good as a manual, although you can always use the manual mode it kinda defeats the point.
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For faster getaways in D just slap the down paddle so you are in first then floor it, it will only change up at red line or when you hit the paddle, it resumes D after a set time of inactivity.
The DSG was more fun in the 3.2 TT but is equally at home in the Skoda
The DSG was more fun in the 3.2 TT but is equally at home in the Skoda
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apparently, the DSG bax comes with launch control, though i've not tried it on mine, you put the box inot sport mode, turn off traction control, foot on brake pedal, other on accelerator till you get to 3.5k revs then let go of brake pedal, i still haven't seen solid proof of this though and won't try it until i do see solid proof, but it's something Audi haven't advertised. I've read it in a few places though, including this very forum.
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Can I supply solid proof? If you take my word for it. Traction control off put box into S or manual, foot on brake, foot on accelerator to the floor, revs rise to 3200rpm then say there, release brake and hold on.
Had it on the TT but the Skoda 2.0TDi hasn't been tested.
That's exactly what it does in my Golf GTi. It tends to wheelspin a lot so I don't really see the point.
Does wonders for your tyres
The gearbox still contains epicyclic gears but in the latest MCT 7 version doesn't have a torque converter, instead using a multi-plate wet clutch.
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Put DSG Launch Control into youtube. There's several clips of people showing how it works.