Dumb/Lazy White British

D.P. said:
The real take home message form the article is this:


The question is, how can we help the the average white British child to be as motivated as the immigrant children who, on average, put a greater value on education?
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Kick the immigrant child out of school. That way we`ll have more resources to spend on good white children.
 
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D.P. said:
The real take home message form the article is this:


The question is, how can we help the the average white British child to be as motivated as the immigrant children who, on average, put a greater value on education?


I know from my experience at school there were plenty of children that did not see the value of eduction, were uninterested in learning, and bullied those who tried hard or did well in exams. That is an attitude that needs to change if the gap in performance is to reduce. IMO, this goes straight back to their parents who must instill such value upon their children really.
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The other question is why are you so insistent on pursuing this thread like you actually care.

the OP admitted the title was meant to provoke
 
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D.P. said:
The real take home message form the article is this:


The question is, how can we help the the average white British child to be as motivated as the immigrant children who, on average, put a greater value on education?


I know from my experience at school there were plenty of children that did not see the value of eduction, were uninterested in learning, and bullied those who tried hard or did well in exams. That is an attitude that needs to change if the gap in performance is to reduce. IMO, this goes straight back to their parents who must instill such value upon their children really.
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And yet with your education you couldn't get a good job in the UK ;)
 
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Of course the BBC spins it with "diversity" but what they are realy getting at is exactly what the op has said. The bbc article says that diversity is directly responsible for better performance of white British in london. I would argue the opposite, the influx of mass immigration has led to decline in performance of white british in london, because of the increase in the amount of languages and the often lower intelligence level of immigrants which brings down the performance of white british. Historically white british in london has always performed better on aggregate than the rest of the country. The study has tried to use this long term trend by saying that it is the diversity responsible for it. It is a racist theory. There is no diversity in the rest of the country? It just makes no sense what ever way you look at it.

The study author basically set out to find statistics to agree with his pro mass immigration pro eu opinions.
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You need to find some evidence to show that the average white British person in London performs worse than in other parts of the country due to immigration. Otherwise your whole post just reeks of a racist rant in all honestly.

and the often lower intelligence level of immigrants
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Can I have proof of the above, otherwise I will actually just assume you are a racist because that is the simplest explanation for your post content!

because of the increase in the amount of languages
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Again, where is the proof of this? It is well known that multi-linguistic children have an average higher intelligence than mono-linguistic children. I don't know if that effect extends to experiencing other languages or not, but it is up to you to prove that being subject to multiple languages has a negative effect on performance.
 
deuse said:
And yet with your education you couldn't get a good job in the UK ;)
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:rolleyes:



I could and I did. In fact, I had multiple offers to choose from and I turned them all down for a position in Switzerland because I like the mountains!
I moved to the US to support my wife's career.

The more you try to mock me the more you make a fool of yourself.
 
phill1978 said:
this is bound to descend into pointless racial hatred.. its just needs deleting stats or not
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If you keep making unfounded statements then, yes, it will. A better solution is just to permaban people who continuously make unfounded racial remarks.
 
D.P. said:
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I could and I did. In fact, I had multiple offers to choose from and I turned them all down for a position in Switzerland because I like the mountains!
I moved to the US to support my wife's career.

The more you try to mock me the more you make a fool of yourself.
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oh so your an immigrant of sorts now .. im starting to see the motivations of some people here.
 
D.P. said:
You need to find some evidence to show that the average white British person in London performs worse than in other parts of the country due to immigration. Otherwise your whole post just reeks of a racist rant in all honestly.


Can I have proof of the above, otherwise I will actually just assume you are a racist because that is the simplest explanation for your post content!


Again, where is the proof of this? It is well known that multi-linguistic children have an average higher intelligence than mono-linguistic children. I don't know if that effect extends to experiencing other languages or not, but it is up to you to prove that being subject to multiple languages has a negative effect on performance.
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Now i am racist? lol

So its racist to say that immigrants bring down white british performance but not racist to say diversity helps them?
 
phill1978 said:
the OP admitted the title was meant to provoke
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phill1978 said:
yet the UKIP voting OP is against this so im guessing the original post really was to get peoples goat and actually its played right into the hands of UKIPers because the Admin has shown a real bias here through the kinds of political correctness everyone ( apart from the far left ) is starting to hate.


should it be deleted or perhaps kept to show the real hypocrisy of ocuk admin here.. ?
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The title was meant to provoke debate around the issue, you seem to have chosen to be offended by this and ignored the content of my posts entirely. The content does not provoke.
Perhaps I should have chosen to be politically correct myself, and renamed the thread to White British being failed, or underacheiving.

The hypocrisy does not lie with the OCUK admins, but with you.
 
D.P. said:
You need to find some evidence to show that the average white British person in London performs worse than in other parts of the country due to immigration. Otherwise your whole post just reeks of a racist rant in all honestly.


Can I have proof of the above, otherwise I will actually just assume you are a racist because that is the simplest explanation for your post content!


Again, where is the proof of this? It is well known that multi-linguistic children have an average higher intelligence than mono-linguistic children. I don't know if that effect extends to experiencing other languages or not, but it is up to you to prove that being subject to multiple languages has a negative effect on performance.
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I never made that claim. What i said was that white British in London performance historically was better than it is now due to the immigration, not in comparison to the rest of the country. I am speaking historically specifically in london.

Immigrants especially ones coming from third world countries will have on average lower intelligence because their parents will have a lower intelligence than the first world parents in the uk.

Sure adults who speak many languages tend to be more intelligent. However an immigrant who is a child and learning english as a second language, is not applicable to the same sorts of scenario as an adult who knows many languages. A child coming from somalia is obviously going to struggle in english school due to language and lack of education their parents received. This goes without saying that these sorts of immigrants will negatively affect the performance of all other pupils who have intelligent parents and who speak english as a first language.

London also attracts the most ambitious people, white British and foreigners a like. It has nothing to do with diversity per se, it has more to do with london being london.
 
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Apparently the culture sucks too

'Unrestrained wild beasts who eat food so greasy it needs detergent'

A best-selling book written by a Portuguese academic has offered a dismal portrayal of English people, calling them 'unrestrained wild beasts who eat food so greasy it needs detergent'.

Joao Magueijo, 47, a physics professor at Imperial College London, has seen his book, Bifes Mal Passados (Undercooked Beef) sell more than 20,000 copies in his native country.

Despite spending 25 years of his life on these shores, he describes England as 'one of the most rigid and rotten societies in Europe, possibly the world'.

He says the English are 'always fighting' and claims 'I never met such a group of animals' - English culture is pathologically violent'.

Describing a four-hour wait in a Blackpool hospital's A&E department one Sunday afternoon, he says 'it looked like a field hospital after battle'.

"When you visit English homes, or the toilets at schools or in student lodgings, they are all so disgusting that even my grandmother's poultry cage is cleaner," he writes.

He goes on to describe the nation as being one of the 'most rotten societies in the world' in a 188 page diatribe in which he also describes his hosts as 'violent animals'.

Magueijo also takes umbrage with Britain's drinking culture.

"It is not unusual to drink 12 pints, or two huge buckets of beer, per person," he writes.

"Even a horse would get drunk with this but in England it is standard practice.

"In England real men have to drink like sponges, eat like skeletons and throw up everything at the end of the evening."

Magueijo relates an episode from his time as a don at the University of Cambridge in which a female student vomited during a formal dinner and continued eating, drinking and 'shouting nonsense as if nothing had happened'.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...rtuguese-academic-decries-filthy-English.html
 
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