Dynamo: magician impossible

Cruiser said:
never really liked him. does anyone believe this stuff after a certain age
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lol I hope at no point you watched any of this stuff and thought 'oh wow, these people are real magicians'

The points have already been well made by others that the stuff is so over the top that its obvious its faked (the 'acters' they use aren't very good which doesn't help'. Its all too, dare I say it, American.


For magic tricks I just love slight of hand where there is a level of skill learnt through constant practice.
 
Cocky-Roach said:
http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-throw-a-card-through-a-window

apparently he wasn't working alone
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Thanks but doesn't explain a few things.

1. He didn;t know which pub we would be in and he had travelled 200 miles so was not expecting to do the trick until I kept on and on at him (although he might expect that I would)

2. There is no way the card was already there. This was behind a one foot square window on a door before he threw the cards at the glass.

3. The card was signed by somebody.

I agree that there is a "trick" to it and it's easy to get people to pick the card you want them to if you're good enough. I just don;t get how the hell it's pulled off with a signed card in a strange pub. I mean, he only does magic as a hobby and is a sales rep. That's a hell of a lot of effort just to impress a dozen people in a village pub tro bring along an aclompice.
 
Card through the window is a good effect if done correctly. If you are good you can do it inside a moving train. :)
 
I could write essays about this guy. He's a good illusionist and is great with card tricks. However i don't like magicians who pay people to act / get in on the trick.
 
Greebo said:
Thanks but doesn't explain a few things.

1. He didn;t know which pub we would be in and he had travelled 200 miles so was not expecting to do the trick until I kept on and on at him (although he might expect that I would)

2. There is no way the card was already there. This was behind a one foot square window on a door before he threw the cards at the glass.

3. The card was signed by somebody.

I agree that there is a "trick" to it and it's easy to get people to pick the card you want them to if you're good enough. I just don;t get how the hell it's pulled off with a signed card in a strange pub. I mean, he only does magic as a hobby and is a sales rep. That's a hell of a lot of effort just to impress a dozen people in a village pub tro bring along an aclompice.
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Problem with that is your memory of what happened and what ACTUALLY happened are likely to be different.
 
Dmack said:
I could write essays about this guy. He's a good illusionist and is great with card tricks. However i don't like magicians who pay people to act / get in on the trick.
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Does he though?

Only it's very easy for someone to see a trick and because they can't work it out just assume the spectators must have been in on it (easiest way to explain pretty much any trick isn't it).

For example, I've heard people say it about Derren Brown and his stage shows. I know how pretty much every one of Derren's theater tricks are done and none require the audience member to be in on it, he states he doesn't uses stooges and yet people (frustrated by the fact they can't work it out) will still claim he does.*

* Although I suspect 5UB and myself could have an interesting debate on what constitutes a stooge, ergo people that are 'hypnotised' etc etc....
 
bignev72 said:
Obviously he isn't actually capable of performing real magic so yes the events are "staged".

But I can't believe that he achieves most of his magic by using plants. If that was the case then as I said before what's the point? Anyone can do that.

I think it's a case of you can't work out how he did it so you default to accusing him of using stooges.
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estebanrey said:
Does he though?

Only it's very easy for someone to see a trick and because they can't work it out just assume the spectators must have been in on it (easiest way to explain pretty much any trick isn't it).

For example, I've heard people say it about Derren Brown and his stage shows. I know how pretty much every one of Derren's theater tricks are done and none require the audience member to be in on it, he states he doesn't uses stooges and yet people (frustrated by the fact they can't work it out) will still claim he does.*

* Although I suspect 5UB and myself could have an interesting debate on what constitutes a stooge, ergo people that are 'hypnotised' etc etc....
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I bring you back to him bench pressing 150KG.

That's all you need to know that he's 100% using stooges in at least some of his tricks because he 100% DID NOT bench press 150KG.
 
5UB said:
Card through the window is a good effect if done correctly. If you are good you can do it inside a moving train. :)
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estebanrey said:
Problem with that is your memory of what happened and what ACTUALLY happened are likely to be different.
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Spill the beans then 5UB or atleast point to a video explaining it ;)

estebanrey, so very true and I know a lot of magic is down to disctracting the spectators from what you don't want them to see and there are some card tricks which I can see how he does them although I could never pull off the sleight of hand but the card through the window has always eluded me despite seeing him do it 3 times now and watched it loads on tv including Dynamo doing it.

The card trick he really wants to do he hasn;t perfected yet and he's been practicing it for 9 years now which is the one where the cards tell a story throughout the whole deck. I am sure 5UB knows the one I mean and what's it called.
 
spoffle said:
I bring you back to him bench pressing 150KG.

That's all you need to know that he's 100% using stooges in at least some of his tricks because he 100% DID NOT bench press 150KG.
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Of course he didn't, it's a magic trick. He can't actually pull Polos throws his neck in reality either. :D

But that doesn't necessarily mean a stooge (the black guy who goes first) was needed for it. There are mechanical ways that effect could have been created whereby the black guy really was lifting a 'heavier' weight that when Dynamo tried it. Plenty of Magicians do a light/heavy routine whereby they'll lift a box easily and the spectator tries it and can't and that isn't done using stooges.

The automatic "it must be stooged" explanation to a magic trick reminds me of the "God must have done it" argument when someone doesn't know the science behind something.
 
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estebanrey said:
For example, I've heard people say it about Derren Brown and his stage shows. I know how pretty much every one of Derren's theater tricks are done and none require the audience member to be in on it, he states he doesn't uses stooges and yet people (frustrated by the fact they can't work it out) will still claim he does.*
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I haven't seen enough of Dynamo to accuse him of using stooges but I've seen enough to be pretty confident that he uses props quite freely which wouldn't be available to most magicians, and it just makes it seem a bit cheap.


Standing on a perspex platform is supposed to be impressive? Seriously? At least Derren's tricks are thought provoking.

* Although I suspect 5UB and myself could have an interesting debate on what constitutes a stooge, ergo people that are 'hypnotised' etc etc....
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If it's not arranged beforehand, I'm not sure you could class them as a stooge?
 
estebanrey said:
Of course he didn't, it's a magic trick. He can't actually pull Polos throws his neck in reality either. :D

But that doesn't necessarily mean a stooge (the black guy who goes first) was needed for it. There are mechanical ways that effect could have been created whereby the black guy really was lifting a 'heavier' weight that when Dynamo tried it. Plenty of Magicians do a light/heavy routine whereby they'll lift a box easily and the spectator tries it and can't and that isn't done using stooges.

The automatic "it must be stooged" explanation to a magic trick reminds me of the "God must have done it" argument when someone doesn't know the science behind something.
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The point is that it wasn't 150KG and it's easy enough to see that.
 
Saw some of his stuff over Christmas, and liked one or two tricks, but his accent kills the show IMO.
 
zenf1 said:
If it's not arranged beforehand, I'm not sure you could class them as a stooge?
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There is something called instant stooging, whereby you get someone up on stage and either using clever language like "Would you like to help play a trick on the audience" or even just a blatant stage whisper you get them to stooge on the fly for you.

For example, a trick where a magician puts a coin in an envelope and gives it to an audience member. He gets another spectator up on stage using the patter I suggested above they pretend to hold an invisible coin in front on them. Visible to the spectator on stage but not the rest of the audience is a year written on his thumbnail. The Magician then asks the spectator up on stage if they can 'see' the year of the invisible coin, they say yes and the number they see on his finger nail and of course it matches the year of the coin in the envelope (this is direct from a magic DVD and is a real trick). The audience thinks the spectator just did an amazing piece of mentalism.

However Derren doesn't use blatant instant stooges, but it could be argued that 'hypnotised' people are, sort of.
 
spoffle said:
The point is that it wasn't 150KG and it's easy enough to see that.
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No your point was he was using stooges.

What you've typed above is just silly and sounds like you don't understand the nature of a magic trick. He was presenting an illusion, not an actual demonstration of his amazing strength.

cu3ed said:
Of course, theirs an irony, but theirs recreating an illusion, then using stooges. on an edited tv programme.
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Prove he's using stooges.

I'm not saying he doesn't, I just haven't seen anything to suggest he does. Of course he has assistants etc but that isn't a stooge. A stooge is specifically someone who is pretending to be THE spectator the trick is being done on, but in reality isn't.
 
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estebanrey said:
No your point was he was using stooges.

What you've typed above is just silly and sounds like you don't understand the nature of a magic trick. He was doing an illusion, not an actual demonstration of his amazing strength.

Prove he's using stooges.

I'm not saying he doesn't, I just haven't seen anything to suggest he does. Of course he has assistants etc but that isn't a stooge. A stooge is specifically someone who is pretending to be THE spectator the trick is being done on, but in reality isn't.
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It's not an illusion because it's not remotely believable that he's moving 150KG.

The guy pressing the weight before him will be a stooge. The bar might be real, but the weights on it are fake and the guy lifting it before him will know that.

Again, as I said, that was my point. He wasn't using 150KG and it's clear watching the video that he wasn't, so people who are right in front of him are going to be aware that he's not pressing 150KG either, so they will be stooges.

That's not really how illusions work. The point of an illusion is to get the viewer to think "how the hell is he doing that?". With the bench press thing, that's NEVER going to happen because of how ridiculous it is.

Any sensible person is going to go straight to "fake weights" thus there is no illusion about it, plus, the other people in the video are set up to look like they are gym goers. If you watch the bar on the video, it's very clear that it's not heavy.

The way he very slowly moves it off the rack, when anyone who's bench pressed before knows if you're pushing something that's relatively heavy, you don't slowly push off, you push it off with a jolt.

The noise it DOESN'T make when the first guy puts it back in to the rack, it just makes a metallic rattle, again, if those guys are genuine gym goers they'd be suspicious straight away from that.

The way they play about with the camera angles when the first guy is doing the weight to try and hide the fact that it's a fake weight.

It's very easy to fake something being heavy when bringing it down (the eccentric portion) but much harder to fake weight on the pushing part (concentric portion) so they moved the camera angle above so so that you couldn't see the bar's vertical movement, because you'd see that the bar would be swaying very loosely and freely, something 155KG doesn't do as it's pushing down with so much force.
 
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