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E2160 vs E4500

Also, one problem I am having is that no software shows the core voltage correctly. CPUZ et al shows the Core VID (1.325), no matter what voltage I select in the BIOS. Has anyone else experienced this?
 
roadie said:
Also, one problem I am having is that no software shows the core voltage correctly. CPUZ et al shows the Core VID (1.325), no matter what voltage I select in the BIOS. Has anyone else experienced this?
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mine shows fine. mobo/bios issue maybe? :)
 
Are you running the latest CPU-Z?

Some Abit BIOS's can screw up the vcore reading in CPU-Z. Everest is almost always fine tho. I would expect UGuru to be fine too.
 
1.5 sounds a bit off... Quite high, actually. If you wanna go higher than 3ghz, i don't think you ought to be using the stock cooler

Vir, do you really think it's worth boosting from 3ghz to 3.2?
 
marc2003 said:
git. got my 2180 from OcUK last week and it takes 1.425v set in the bios for 3ghz. i can't get 3.2ghz for love nor money - well i probably could if i had better cooling. i had to give up testing at 1.5v because temps under load were a little toasty. :D
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(git) :D lol.

It's luck of the draw m8. I bought a brand new X2 3800+ from here and it managed 2.6Ghz at 1.55v (reported from someone in Edinburgh with exact same stepping). I never even tested it. Sold it on the bay for £2 loss the next again day and sourced a 2.6ghz on stock volts capable X2 3800+ from the USA which I ran at 2.8/2.9Ghz with 1.45/1.47v.

When you have a few quid spare you could try and source out a proven e2160,e2180,e2200 and buy it. When you have it in your machine and it's running how you want then you can sell your current CPU. It sounds a bit of a hassle I know but when I gave that bad clocking X2 3800 and sourced out a decent clocker I was a lot happier (3ghz is not to be sniffed at though). When I found out about my 2.6ghz max X2 I was totally deflated.
 
-iceblade^ said:
1.5 sounds a bit off... Quite high, actually. If you wanna go higher than 3ghz, i don't think you ought to be using the stock cooler

Vir, do you really think it's worth boosting from 3ghz to 3.2?
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It's worth it I think, if you benchmark it with for example sisoft or just run some games you notice it makes a difference. But I don't know if it's worth it if you up the vcore this much. I think I'm gonna leave it at 3.0Ghz for now.
 
J.D said:
(3ghz is not to be sniffed at though)
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indeed. it's still a 50% overclock on a 46quid cpu with the stock cooler. :D

and mine is just a stop gap until i get a q6600. i was planning to get my parts in 2 installments (due to a lack of funds) - but that would have meant having some parts sat on my desk for a month while i save for the rest. and that thought was kind of depressing - so i decided to get the 2180 to tide me over until i have enough for a quad. :)
 
My e4500 is up to 3190Mhz with 1.465V. Only had time to test it for an hour or so with OCCT, so obviously it needs further stability testing. The CPU has been lapped, as has the TRUE 120 that's cooling it. Temps are perfectly reasonable.
 
I have done some benching with my E4300 and E2180 at the same speed, 2.4Ghz. Unfortunately due to motherboard constraints that's the fastest i can get the E4300 up to. It's my second rig with a M-ATX mobo. However it will give you some idea. These are just benchies and i have'nt tried any games. Apart from the cpu's everything else in the rig was the same:-

Foxconn 946GZ7MA-1.1-8KRS2H M-ATX
2x1Gb Corsair XMS2 PC2-5400
ATI X1900XT
250Gb Seagate 7200.10 Sata 2 Hdd
[email protected] (9x265)
[email protected] (10x240) (no multiplier adjustment).

3DMark 06

E4300=5556 E2180=5507
SM 2.0=2104 SM 2.0=2092
HDR/SM 3.0=2394 HDR/SM3.0=2376
CPU Score=2082 CPU Score=2041

3DMark05

E4300=10979 E2180=10590
CPU Score=7749 CPU Score=6762

3DMark03

E4300=18338 E2180=17664
CPU T1=167.6fps CPU T1=134.3fps
CPU T2=22.6fps CPU T2=20.3fps

3DMark01

E4300=31176 E2180=27559

Cinebench

E4300 E2180
CB 1 CPU=2398 CB 1 CPU=2288
CB x CPU=4529 CB x CPU=4261
OGL Standard=4545 OGL Standard=4209

Strangely the E2180 draws more power than the E4300 on the same clock speed with stock volts. The E4300 draws 106/199w (idle/load) and the E2180 draws 111/212w. I have a Zalman ZM-MFC2 so it's easy to see how much the rig draws. Hope that gives a bit of comparison for you.
 
marc2003 said:
indeed. it's still a 50% overclock on a 46quid cpu with the stock cooler. :D

and mine is just a stop gap until i get a q6600. i was planning to get my parts in 2 installments (due to a lack of funds) - but that would have meant having some parts sat on my desk for a month while i save for the rest. and that thought was kind of depressing - so i decided to get the 2180 to tide me over until i have enough for a quad. :)
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Ah, you're on stock cooling. That explains maybe why it heats up pretty quickly with volts.

Great idea by using the system now. The E2180 is fast enough for most and if you don't play Unreal Tournament 3 or Supreme Commander then gaming performances are great on this dual core :).

I don't think I'd use a Quad. Sorry, I mean I wouldn't find the use for a Quad so would not want to waste it. I don't really benchmark and encoding/decoding rarely happens. I'm thinking about the E7200 though. 3x the cache and should hit 3.6 - 4Ghz (hopefully).

Good luck when you get the Quad. Hopefully you'll get a 3.6Ghz+ chip ;).
 
J.D said:
I don't think I'd use a Quad. Sorry, I mean I wouldn't find the use for a Quad so would not want to waste it. I don't really benchmark and encoding/decoding rarely happens. I'm thinking about the E7200 though. 3x the cache and should hit 3.6 - 4Ghz (hopefully).

Good luck when you get the Quad. Hopefully you'll get a 3.6Ghz+ chip ;).
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i must admit i have no genuine need for a quad right now. i'm actually tempted to use the money i have put aside for a new monitor instead. :p
 
I had a Q6600 which clocked to 3.8Ghz. Complete waste of time though. Not one single game ran any better with it. Just got loads of extra heat to get rid of along with a large increase in power consumption. Got rid of it for a E8500 which i had for a week. Hit 4.5Ghz but then lost stability due to degredation (1.5v) and would then only run at 4Ghz with loads of volts. Got rid of that and got my £60 E6600 which will now do me until Nehalem.
 
marc2003 said:
i must admit i have no genuine need for a quad right now. i'm actually tempted to use the money i have put aside for a new monitor instead. :p
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Oops I feel as I've helped a thought in your head that you didn't need a quad :D.

Quick question. Does your motherboard support Wofldale 45nm?. If it does then what about the E7200?. Pretty cheap at £86 and if you sold your e2180 as well then you would have to still save up for the screen maybe but you'll be in a better position than if you bought the quad.
 
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