E30 Project/restoration thread

(keep seeing those elegant welding pictures when I open the thread)

Dropped the subframe which came down relatively easy given the bushes were completely destroyed.

Does the subframe need blasting in some way, or you will drill wire brush/roloc it -
how did you securely lower it, multiple hydraulic jacks , it pivots securely ?
 
(keep seeing those elegant welding pictures when I open the thread)



Does the subframe need blasting in some way, or you will drill wire brush/roloc it -
how did you securely lower it, multiple hydraulic jacks , it pivots securely ?
Just one big Jack in the centre for the diff. It didn’t seem hugely heavy to be honest, I’m sure it is if I actually tried to lift it mind.

The whole assembly is in remarkably good condition maybe because it’s covered in a sort of greasy dirt which has stopped any moisture getting in. Barely any rust spots and what looks like the original black protective coating. So honestly I’m not sure whether I should just leave it as is and maybe touch it up in places.
 
I've been watching that channel recently, a very talented father and son, love watching them fabricate the repair panels.

Nice thread too, looks like a great job!
 
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Finally got round to spending some proper time on the rear sills and made some progress. Not pretty given it’s all getting covered up but should be functional with a decently strong jacking point.

It’s three sheets of metal so had to build up bit by bit, a few too many individual bits where I was using what I could have the original panels. Possibly should have just made all new but prefer to keep my fabrication to a minimum where possible.

Mocked up at the bottom with the new arch. Just need to find the remaining panel gaps now.

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Not done many updates to this but have done quite a bit of work now.

Found a used disc subframe which I used to replace the drums and upgraded the discs/calipers at the same time:

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Once that was done concentrated on finishing of the passenger rear which included the boot pocket, got a new panel to weld in which required quite a bit of adjustement to fit properly, but got there in the end:

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Once that was done it's all been seam sealed up and on to fibre glass filling all the panel welds:

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Just need to do more work smoothing it off and then on to body filler, but quite pleased it's starting to come together and is back on the ground and mobile, even starting to consider MOT albeit a lot of bodywork to do first and not entirely sure whether to try and paint myself or send to a body shop.

Ended up changing the wheels as well to a set of 16 inch style 5 wheels which I much prefer over the style 8s.

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Moved over to the front of the car now the rear is largely done from a welding standpoint, assumed/hoped the barttery tray would be relatively easy to remove/replace but turned out to be a bit of a nightmare for it to be done properly.

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It looked bad, but the worst was under the bonnet hinge, which is 3 pieces of sheet all sandwhiched together where the inner wing meets the firewall and meets the inner suspension turrent sheet it seems. Very difficult to get to it all to be able to cut the rust out and replace, so its going to be interesting. Bearing in mind how bad the battery tray was it made sense to competely cut it and and replace the entire thing. Ended up damaging a bit more than was ideal in doing so, but nothing beyond repair hopefully.

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Lookimg at it from the inside of the footwell you can see the piece which is the issue on the firewall, which then bends is sandwhiched into the arch.
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I'm also at the point to start looking at other engines now as it probably makes sense to pull the current motor given the front end work. To be honest I bought the car originally with the intention of doing an S54 swap but the total expense is putting me off and considering chsnging to an M52 instead with a few supporting mods to get it toward 250bhp; but can't help the feeling i'd end up dissapointed given I'd always wanted an S54. Would be interested to hear from anyone thst's had any experience with either?
 
An M52B28 with just an M50 manifold/remap decent ratio diff, will give an E36 M3 3L a fright up till about 120, a stripped out lightweight e30 will be neck and neck the whole way - seen it for myself.

An S54 will require dedication if you intend to drive it hard as intended with a high revving ///M engine.

Ideally source an engine with proof of the crank being reground/polished, and someone that doesn't mind chucking it on an engine stand and taking the sump off for you to inspect it, anyone with nothing to hide that breaks bmw's wont have an issue doing this - only someone with something to hide.

If not and you buy an unopened engine, you WILL end up with a shagged crank/bearings, as with any ///M engine, it's just what they all do. Me and my mates have been breaking them up for parts for many years/building various bmws, and my mate rebuilds engines, he's had to often buy multiple cars/engines just to get 1 good crank, regardless of the mileage/history, the last time was with his S50B30, I think he ended up buying 4 engines to get 1 good crank.

Another of my mates bought a brand new S54 crank from BMW 10 years ago, it was IIRC £5600, and I doubt they'll even sell you one these days.

Bearings wise, if you use oem bearings, you will get more life out of them, circa around 30-40k, but they run the risk of killing the crank under abuse, if you go for ACL/King and use ARP hardware, you'll have to replace them every 10k due to being race parts, but they won't take the crank with them if they die. Obviously your mileage will vary depending on how hard you drive it, but an ///M engine is wasted if not used for it's intended purpose.
Regardless they all kill cranks, don't believe anyone who tells you otherwise, they've either never inspected it or the bearings, or bought a car/engine that's had the work recently done then not driven/owned it long enough before it needs to be done again.

You'll also want to do the valve clearances every 10-15k, as long as you don't mind doing this and the ARP bearings yourself or know people, then it's worth it, it's just the same with any ///M engine, they love to murder a crankshaft/shag the bearings and all require the valve clearances doing frequently due to the type of high revvy race derived engine that they are.

Either way it's worth the faff if you're going to keep the car and drive it hard/track/drift it.

However an M50/M52 will just work and take a kick in everyday and you'll never have to worry about the crank or bearings, I've had 5 E36's and never had an issue, the last one being a ridiculous spec M52B28/custom rebuilt 3L M3 LSD swapped coupe with stupid amounts done along with tuning. It got it's head kicked in everytime it was driven, zero issues over 5 years of constant abuse spanning over 130k miles of use along with drifting it whilst living on the limiter. Zero issues. Only thing that kills a M52 is if you don't bleed them properly and cook them, due to being an ally block, this is easily done if it's been done before when it comes to bleeding them yourself when you're for example replacing a stat/waterpump/rad/hose. The best way is to lift the front of the car up if it's being a pain.

You'll also want to get a proper plated LSD and rebuild it - a good option is to use double the amount of dog and friction plates, or just use thicker plates, whatever you prefer. My M3 diff ended up being 60% lock 1.5way with 4 thicker plates + all the bearings/seals/top hat bolts etc etc, locked up amazing and was awesome for daily road use along with if you wanted to drift it or track it. Just find someone you trust to setup the ramp angle properly.

My mate built a S62B50 E30 coupe, everything custom, E34 M5 box and diff/custom rear end the lot, even runs posh waterless coolant, spins all the gears even at half throttle on semi slicks haha, it's hilarious fun and stupid fast, he's made it close to 400bhp per tonne, so it will destroy any bar a R35 GTR/exotic power to weight wise.

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An M52B28 with just an M50 manifold/remap decent ratio diff, will give an E36 M3 3L a fright up till about 120, a stripped out lightweight e30 will be neck and neck the whole way - seen it for myself.

An S54 will require dedication if you intend to drive it hard as intended with a high revving ///M engine.

Ideally source an engine with proof of the crank being reground/polished, and someone that doesn't mind chucking it on an engine stand and taking the sump off for you to inspect it, anyone with nothing to hide that breaks bmw's wont have an issue doing this - only someone with something to hide.

If not and you buy an unopened engine, you WILL end up with a shagged crank/bearings, as with any ///M engine, it's just what they all do. Me and my mates have been breaking them up for parts for many years/building various bmws, and my mate rebuilds engines, he's had to often buy multiple cars/engines just to get 1 good crank, regardless of the mileage/history, the last time was with his S50B30, I think he ended up buying 4 engines to get 1 good crank.

Another of my mates bought a brand new S54 crank from BMW 10 years ago, it was IIRC £5600, and I doubt they'll even sell you one these days.

Bearings wise, if you use oem bearings, you will get more life out of them, circa around 30-40k, but they run the risk of killing the crank under abuse, if you go for ARP, you'll have to replace them every 10k due to being race parts, but they won't take the crank with them if they die. Obviously your mileage will vary depending on how hard you drive it, but an ///M engine is wasted if not used for it's intended purpose.
Regardless they all kill cranks, don't believe anyone who tells you otherwise, they've either never inspected it or the bearings, or bought a car/engine that's had the work recently done then not driven/owned it long enough before it needs to be done again.

You'll also want to do the valve clearances every 10-15k, as long as you don't mind doing this and the ARP bearings yourself or know people, then it's worth it, it's just the same with any ///M engine, they love to murder a crankshaft/shag the bearings and all require the valve clearances doing frequently due to the type of high revvy race derived engine that they are.

Either way it's worth the faff if you're going to keep the car and drive it hard/track/drift it.

However an M50/M52 will just work and take a kick in everyday and you'll never have to worry about the crank or bearings, I've had 5 E36's and never had an issue, the last one being a ridiculous spec M52B28/custom rebuilt 3L M3 LSD swapped coupe with stupid amounts done along with tuning. It got it's head kicked in everytime it was driven, zero issues over 5 years of constant abuse spanning over 130k miles of use along with drifting it whilst living on the limiter. Zero issues. Only thing that kills a M52 is if you don't bleed them properly and cook them, due to being an ally block, this is easily done if it's been done before when it comes to bleeding them yourself when you're for example replacing a stat/waterpump/rad/hose. The best way is to lift the front of the car up if it's being a pain.

You'll also want to get a proper plated LSD and rebuild it - a good option is to use double the amount of dog and friction plates, or just use thicker plates, whatever you prefer. My M3 diff ended up being 60% lock 1.5way with 4 thicker plates + all the bearings/seals/top hat bolts etc etc, locked up amazing and was awesome for daily road use along with if you wanted to drift it or track it. Just find someone you trust to setup the ramp angle properly.

My mate built a S62B50 E30 coupe, everything custom, E34 M5 box and diff/custom rear end the lot, even runs posh waterless coolant, spins all the gears even at half throttle on semi slicks haha, it's hilarious fun and stupid fast, he's made it close to 400bhp per tonne, so it will destroy any bar a R35 GTR/exotic power to weight wise.

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S62 must be mega. I’m edging toward an S54 still, on the look out for a car that I can break for parts and hopefully make more back doing that than paying outright for an engine. Most seem overpriced and with no ability to see what I’m buying not ideal. Let’s see what comes up in the next few months.
 
S62 must be mega. I’m edging toward an S54 still, on the look out for a car that I can break for parts and hopefully make more back doing that than paying outright for an engine. Most seem overpriced and with no ability to see what I’m buying not ideal. Let’s see what comes up in the next few months.
Sorry earlier, when I mentioned the bearings, I mean ACL or King race bearings with ARP fasteners, I'm just used to saying ARP as we use them for everything fastener etc wise.
On that note make sure you use ARP's torque specs and not OEM, should you ever use them, the tollerences are completely different, for obvious reasons.

The S62, haha it's hilarious, it's also mapped too ;) On slicks it will destroy basically anything as I say power to weight/response/handling, and drifting it is amazing too.

He has loads of cool cars from Porkas/Rari's/Masa to loads of custom BMW's, he has last time we checked 1 of 9 manual 850CS V12's, with the best manual notch free gearbox/civic like light asf clutch you'll ever use, a 32k miles 0 owners ex display Cosmo Swartz E36 coupe 3L M3, E34 535i, E34 540i, MINT fully restored Tech 2 325i Sport Alpine White 2 E30 coupe, an E36 coupe drift car with a M62 540i 4.4L V8 in, E30 M3... Last time I asked he had 64 cars, he restores/modifies/builds stuff to spec and sells it and breaks cars for bits too.

Yeah any even the 'average' rip off going rate for them will still have had their head kicked in and ragged from cold financed by chavs/drug dealers just like EP3's when new, I remember EP3/46M3 being the go to cars that were treated poorly when they came out by everyone.

Yeah definitely buy one and break it, that is the way to do it, then get the crank reground if you're lucky, do the bearings and valve clearances, and all the usual leaking bmw gaskets like the sump/oil filter housing/rocker cover/replace the pas line that always weeps, the oil level sensor, o-rings in the oil pump where the dipstick connects, rebuild the vanos, replace the exploding coolant system, decent ally rad etc etc, then get an Alpha-N map and a Geoff Steele CSL airbox, and you'll have a weapon!


If it was me, I'd find someone on a group/forum with a m52b28 m50 mani/remapped E30 coupe with minimal interior/light and a short ratio LSD, and go out in that, will fly and be side to side with a S50B30 or B32 E36 M3 and Evo.
Or personally I'd put a S62 in it or an older E34 M60b40 in, OR an M30B35 if you want to keep it period correct engine swaps... My mate above has a absolutely mint 535i E34 with a very tasty lsd, and I've driven it hard and it flies, even at the weight difference of a E34 vs E30, my other mate chucked one into his E30 and it was awesome 15-17 years back.

S54 are awesome but the power is all mid to high end as they obviously rev to 8K, so a bit vtec'ish, but it's still fast before that, i don't mind revving stuff out, only thing I hate about the S54 is the exhausts sound awful, I'd want a custom system with hand chosen resonators/silencers throughout, as they just sounds tinny and raspy and like a knackered backbox with the packing ******... Yet a S50B30 sounds awesome stock and with an exhaust... Easily fixed though!

I love a custom exhaust anyway versus all this crapily made over priced stuff, with terrible welds, I like TIG and pie cuts/proper turns, no bending/step downs in diametre dog ****, nor having a million awful cheap clamps, I've used posh V-bands, and on a car with poly bushes/rose joints everywhere, thick arbs/decent coilies, they just end up undoing themselves or are a 1 time use of doing them up then shake loose, and they're not cheap, so I stick to proper flanges now with a gasket, simple and works, none of this sleeve clamp cramp that always blows and also can undo, and ends up corroding anyway and looks *****.
 
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painting - what paint do you anticipate using - I'd been looking to venture into 2K aerosol epoxy paints for bike&car
... but seems you shouldn't reaally use them without a mask with air supply , so the potential £40 respirator mask and spray cans are out, even outside ?
 
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