E30 Project/restoration thread

S54 vs M52B28 with an M50 is our current debate :D
An M52B28 with a M50 mani/manifolds/decat and a remap and m3 cams, is around 250bhp or more, which is way above the 200bhp per tonne, so will fly. Or just don't do the cams and it costs bugger all and still will be rapid.
The beauty of an M52B28 is you can kick it's head in and it'll never destroy a crank, oil pump, or bearings, and won't need to have it's bearings replaced every 10k along with redoing the valve clearances frequently unlike an S54.

I had the vanos tuned on mine to kick it hard at 3.5k, it was rapid for a 2.8 with a m50 manifold/exhaust/remap/short ratio diff that did 60 in 2nd, so 1 gear change, so the 0-60 was very impressive for a M52.
 
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I also think we'd want ABS with that much time & money invested if we did an S54 build. So that jacks up the costs and argument against even more.

I've owned a 328i and driven a few, I can imagine it is more than enough. If it is not, S54-ing after is also a possibility.

But then I think that life is short and the dream was/is an S54.

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I also think we'd want ABS with that much time & money invested if we did an S54 build. So that jacks up the costs and argument against even more.

I've owned a 328i and driven a few, I can imagine it is more than enough. If it is not, S54-ing after is also a possibility.

But then I think that life is short and the dream was/is an S54.

Repeat :D
"We"? Is it yours and the OP @Thomas. PLease. 's build then?

A M52B28 with a M50 mani, exhaust, cams and a remap is rapid in an E30.

Meh I always bin the ABS, it's not very good on older cars, I've had some stupid situations where I've slid forwards at slow speeds with nothing I can do, 1 of which was towards a big roundabout. Luckily nothing was coming and I was able to drive away, another time was going under 30 down a hill in bad weather and some idiot decided in a van to just stop in the middle of the road on a single lane bridge in front, I stopped about half a foot from his bumper, again at silly slow speed.

It's just garbage on old BMW's as is the traction control system, it always goes in the bin, I'd rather modulate the pedal myself.

I also always replace all the hard lines then use HEL braided brake lines and uprate the brakes to the biggest that will fit off another car, for example 330ci E46 brakes go straight onto a E36, and they're 324mm beasts, so I barely had to touch them to stop, even at speed.
 
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I also think we'd want ABS with that much time & money invested if we did an S54 build. So that jacks up the costs and argument against even more.

I've owned a 328i and driven a few, I can imagine it is more than enough. If it is not, S54-ing after is also a possibility.

But then I think that life is short and the dream was/is an S54.

Repeat :D
The same mental argument I’ve been having with myself for the last few months. I’m 99% sure I’m going to go M52 now, it’s 80% of the performance for literally a 10th of the price and to your point can always change it if it does get boring.

Half the fun would be adding breathing mods/cams etc as well of which there would be plenty of budget for if not using an S54.
 
The same mental argument I’ve been having with myself for the last few months. I’m 99% sure I’m going to go M52 now, it’s 80% of the performance for literally a 10th of the price and to your point can always change it if it does get boring.

Half the fun would be adding breathing mods/cams etc as well of which there would be plenty of budget for if not using an S54.
Trust me, **** it off. It's **** on old BMW's and cars in general. I have had 5 E36's and 2 of them I gave the chance to ABS and nearly had 4 of the most pathetic slow motion crashes in the wet/black ICE, stuff I could and have prevented in my other 3 E36 by just modulated the pedal myself on an ABS deleted car...

Yeah M52 FTW. Just make sure you bleed it properly, they can be a dick for that, you'll think you've done it, then cook it, and it's an ally bottom end so bye bye if not done right, due to the reservoir not being the highest point in the system, we like to lol lift the front up with an engine crane when they're being dicks haha, they soon bleed nicely then! :cry:
If it was me, I'd far rather have the M52 over the S54. As keef says, you can rag it, forget to change the oil, and only do minimum maintenance and it will keep on banging. M engines need a lot of care and sympathy.
Yeah, and even stock let alone just a M50 manifold/map, one in a E30 will literally give a 3L E36 M3 a fright up till 130ish - something I've witnessed in person, one with cams/exhaust properly tuned and with some weight reduction, will hold it's own neck and neck - something I've also seen.

Oil change wise, before I drifted my last one, I'd change the oil every 3k without fail and even the sparkplugs, I used £60 worth of posh racing spec Castrol LSD oil (for obvious reasons) and flushed it regularly, along with only using that £56+vat's worth of OEM BMW gearbox oil.
I always let the car warm up for atleast 15 mins never taking it above 2500RPM, and kicked it's head it for 24 thousand miles and never even had to change a sensor or anything else, however it had all new everything when I put it in my last coupe, so all new metal impellar waterpump, ally thermostat housing + low temp stat, brand new coolant hoses+rad, multiple coolant flushes, brand new LUK OEM clutch, HEL braided clutch line, rocker cover gasket, intake boot, removed the traction control plate and it's restriction, modified an M50 fuel rail cover properly to fit the M52 like OEM, so no risk of water getting to the injectors, decent coil packs etc etc... Was bulletproof...

Sold that E36 after just shy of 5 years and exported it to Germany to some rich American who has 4 other RHD cars (all mad JDM imports like 180sx/Chaser/Supra/Skyline/RX7) and it's used as a Nurburgring practice car - I figured what better of a viking death/send off, than sending it back to the motherland where it was built, versus some chav folding it round a roundabout over here
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Mine has no ABS, it was temperamental when I got the car, and then started to cause problems, so I deactivated it.

Side note, if you want to deactivate the ABS you just have to unplug the four ABS sensors, one in either side of the engine bay, and two underneath the rear seat.

The ABS system is completely isolated from the rest of the systems in the car, so as far as the ABS computer knows, it is working but the car is not moving.

The ABS light still comes on and goes out with ignition, but the ABS doesn't work, and you still have a speedometer and odometer because those signals come from the diff not the wheels.
 
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Mine has no ABS, it was temperamental when I got the car, and then started to cause problems, so I deactivated it.

Side note, if you want to deactivate the ABS you just have to unplug the four ABS sensors, one in either side of the engine bay, and two underneath the rear seat.

The ABS system is completely isolated from the rest of the systems in the car, so as far as the ABS computer knows, it is working but the car is not moving.

The ABS light still comes on and goes out with ignition, but the ABS doesn't work, and you still have a speedometer and odometer because those signals come from the diff not the wheels.
You can also just pull the fuses if you're super lazy, and refit them for MOT, along with any airbag steering wheel (in the case of a 36) ;)

On an E36 you have to run a wire from the ecu to the dial cluster, to give it the VSS signal, otherwise it puts the car into a VMAX limp mode of around 3500RPM - this can be easily fixed by dumping the ROM and changing the VMAX to redline however.
 
We = mine and a friend's, not the OP. Sorry for the confusion! We co-own it. Twice the stupidity but he is also a master mechanic wizard so more stupidity from his side as I prefer racing & driving to spannering.

We're in a similar debate, hence my posts for solidarity and to air the loop that is also ongoing.

If we S54 we would fit a Bosche motorsport ABS unit. I'm not bolting in old BMW ***** for the sake of it. That would also get us some switchable traction control and lots of other possibilities. It's not something we would look to race so this is purely down to what we want to do with it. Its primary goal will be DN events at the 'Ring, as many reliable laps as possible.

Next up for us is a dyno and using it on a UK TD to shake it down.
 
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I do recall the M52 in a 328i sport I was passenger in ages ago being probably the best sounding 6 cylinder BMW (maybe even non BMW) I've heard.

I have been in a M52 E36 with the M50 and exhaust. Pounds per smile I don't think a lot comes close really and are really fast in the right hands.
 
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I think ABS was available from 1986, I have a 1986 rear control arm for rear disk and ABS.

Also no E30 outside of the USA had airbags. :)

M20 is the best sounding BMW six, come on now! I'll have to shoot some videos of mine with its new custom exhaust. :D
 
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Well as ever things have escalated, Fuse box and battery tray have been completely cut out and ended up taking the dash and heater matrix out so I could get to all of it.

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I also bought a complete battery tray replacement panel which is now welded in

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And started replacing the metal on the other side.

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And then somewhat more excitingly I've procured an engine donor (328ci with M52B28TU). Hopefully works out cheaper to buy a whole car than just then engine, and will smoke around in this for a while until the e30 is ready. Hopefully the style 32s will offset a good portion of the overall cost among other bits which I'll sell when I start pulling it apart.

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46 is the TU which is inlet and exhaust VANOS and is an auto so will still need to source a 5 speed from elsewhere.

Is a great car for the money, reminds me how crap most modern stuff is these days.
Looks like a decent little run around TBH. Seems a shame to pull it apart but I understand why.
It's probably worth coding the inlet VANOS out for a project like this and running open-loop without a MAF.
 
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