Ebola scaremongering?

[Tefal]

Out of interest can you recommend any competent GP's in the Lancashire area? Private or NHS.

he way around "incompetent" doctors is you need two of them.

one you need who is open to trying something.

ie you want to try a short course of whatever medication you want, say painkillers get him to agree to a trail of a weeks worth or there abouts.

then you need to make a short notice appointment at the surgery with another doctor who happens to be free the day your prescription runs out you go to him and say your tablets ran out but couldn't get an appointment with X when he asks why he gave you so few you say because you discuses it with him and it was a trial dose to see if they worked for you.

the second doctor at this point will typically give you a large repeat prescription count for the item as he expects you to follow up with your regular doctor if there are any issues.

enjoy your plentiful supply of whatever as the repeats are signed off the by the guy who cant even remember you each time after.

 

[Mynight]

Confessions of a drug addict .

Some doctors really are terrible though. At some point the benefits of opiates will outweigh the negatives but they still seem reluctant to prescribe them.

Is it due to potential abuse/addiction?

 

[Werewolf]

Is it due to potential abuse/addiction?

Very much so I suspect.

IIRC there has been a lot of pressure on GP's not to prescribe opiates.

I know my mum had to go on them again for a hip problem for a while a couple of years back, and the GP's were really quite reluctant despite the fact that about 10 years earlier she had been on them for a while (over a year) whilst awaiting a hip op and came off them easily.

I think not all chemists even carry some of the opiates now due to issues with break ins and general staff welfare, as our chemist (from memory) had to order them in every time my mum needed one of the items as they either carried none in stock, or only about one prescription's worth (I think it was with one of those that I had to sign an additional form when I picked it up, I can't remember if Id was needed or not).

My guess is that if you're at a surgery where the GP may not know you well, or your condition is relatively new/short term they're going to be much more reluctant to prescribe certain meds than if you've been going there for years and they know your long term condition.

 

[Rroff]

No doubt it'll be on in the next couple of weeks

Only as a documentary.

 

[scorza]

Confessions of a drug addict .

Some doctors really are terrible though. At some point the benefits of opiates will outweigh the negatives but they still seem reluctant to prescribe them.

Is it due to potential abuse/addiction?

I heard Shipman was a factor as well for things like morphine. Since Shipman's crimes were discovered apparently there's been greater scrutiny of any deaths where morphine was prescribed, so doctors don't prescribe as much as they used to which leads to cancer patients dying in agony. Could be an urban myth though.

 

[Xordium]

You have to remember morphine and the like are controlled drugs. You also have to remember, as I pointed out earlier, there is a big difference between the management of acute things (such as what this thread is about) and chronic things (which the topic has moved onto). With acute episode the problems associated with dependence and addiction and therefore abuse are removed. Note dependence and addiction are different things. We do have GPs on here they would give you an answer to as whether things are as you perceive them. Again not really something I can answer with any degree of expertise.

 

[Meridian]

So the first case of Ebola Virus was in 1976, but there is still no vaccine or treatment now?

Only black people get it, so there's no money in a vaccine; and since it's a virus, little hope of a treatment.

 

[Xordium]

Not only black people get it. We suspect the propagation of filoviruses extends outside Africa as we can find antibodies in potential reservoir animals groups outside Africa. We have a fully functional animal vaccine model that we have demonstrated has efficacy in humans post exposure. And we have good treatment ideas if we aren't overworked in a hostile working environment. To counterbalance that though we do have indications it possible may spread more than we thought it could years ago, we believe it may have the ability to be airborne and if not it is not that many evolutionary generations from doing so.

 

[badcompany]

Not only black people get it. We suspect the propagation of filoviruses extends outside Africa as we can find antibodies in potential reservoir animals groups outside Africa. We have a fully functional animal vaccine model that we have demonstrated has efficacy in humans post exposure. And we have good treatment ideas if we aren't overworked in a hostile working environment. To counterbalance that though we do have indications it possible may spread more than we thought it could years ago, we believe it may have the ability to be airborne and if not it is not that many evolutionary generations from doing so.

your posts are very informative and I was wondering what is your field of work/expertise?

 

[Mynight]

The idea of airborne ebola scares me

Well commonly airborne rather than a single study.

 

[Xordium]

your posts are very informative and I was wondering what is your field of work/expertise?

Medical. I did work in Central Africa a fair few years back - my wife worked around all these regions far more than me though. Not that either of use ever personally crossed paths with this problem. However, dealing with the actual complications caused is the general 'bread and butter' for any intensive care specialist - supporting breathing, ensuring people are hydrated and their electrolytes are within normal limits, control blood clotting depending on lab results etc.

 

[LateX'Dog]

You also have a known history on this forum of putting forward quite a few tinfoil hat ideas.

Do you feel its right to attack someone for thinking differently?

 

[Xordium]

Do you feel its right to attack someone for thinking differently?

I think there is a difference between thinking differently and peddling sensationalist information that is factually incorrect and blown out of proportion.

Now if you had not posted something sensationalistic ie:

The arrival of an Ebola-infected air passenger in Nigeria has airlines and airports scrambling to respond around the world

and factually incorrect:

Nigerian health authorities are racing to stop the spread of the flesh-eating Ebola virus

Then we could have discussed difference of opinion.

Those however are not differences of opinion. Those are sensationalistic and factually incorrect to the point of misleading with the obvious goal of causing an emotional response in the reader.

I have been in a number of major incidents with a variety of causes and I think I can quite confidently say that the major contributory factor to the worsening of situations and loss of life is panic. Panic induced by crap like you just posted. It's fear mongering. It's playing on our worst fears. Such articles like you posted would have direct consequences in an incident in how the public respond. Calmly to facilitate treatment and quarantine or panic to promote spread of disease and loss of life.

 

[LateX'Dog]

I think there is a difference between thinking differently and peddling sensationalist information that is factually incorrect and blown out of proportion.

Now if you had not posted something sensationalistic ie:



and factually incorrect:



Then we could have discussed difference of opinion.

Those however are not differences of opinion. Those are sensationalistic and factually incorrect to the point of misleading with the obvious goal of causing an emotional response in the reader.

I have been in a number of major incidents with a variety of causes and I think I can quite confidently say that the major contributory factor to the worsening of situations and loss of life is panic. Panic induced by crap like you just posted. It's fear mongering. It's playing on our worst fears. Such articles like you posted would have direct consequences in an incident in how the public respond. Calmly to facilitate treatment and quarantine or panic to promote spread of disease and loss of life.

But your under the impression that i agree with what they say. I in fact never stated my position. So you presumed that i agree with the article and judged me. Otherwise known as a fallacy of presumption.

 

[Xordium]

"The arrival of an Ebola-infected air passenger in Nigeria has airlines and airports scrambling to respond around the world"

Those are your own words ...

So now what is your excuse?

 

[LateX'Dog]

"The arrival of an Ebola-infected air passenger in Nigeria has airlines and airports scrambling to respond around the world"

Those are your own words ...

So now what is your excuse?

It was the title of the news article. I missed the

tag?

Should i really be having to explain this to you?

 

[Xordium]

I considered that a deliberate action on your behalf. You say it is not. Therefore, without any evidence to the contrary I have to accept that don't I.

So why didn't you say 'oh look I have found this article that is completely sensationalistic here is the link'?
Why no comment on the article?
Considering by your own admission you think 'differently' do you think you left yourself open to misinterpretation?

(I think you have misapplied that fallacy too you may want to look it up - I would also respectfully point out that fallacious positions are still often true the very usage of them on these forums as a method of negating someone else's argument would actually be false dilemma and therefore a fallacy in itself)

 

[LateX'Dog]

I considered that a deliberate action on your behalf. You say it is not. Therefore, without any evidence to the contrary I have to accept that don't I.

I knew you had it in you.

So why didn't you say 'oh look I have found this article that is completely sensationalistic here is the link'?

What would have been the purpose of posting that phrase? Its not my job to tell people what to think.

Why no comment on the article?

I wanted to see if anyone would actually ask me my opinion, seeing as i never stated one. They didn't so i just left it alone, until you came along.

You see, my opinion is often the focal point of a thread, rather then the actual topic. People then derail the topic based upon their opinions of me and not the topic. (Like what is going on now)

I could post a topic about pink unicorns and based from past experience you and magnolia and a few others would be along to do your show and dance act ridiculing me, rather then discussing pink unicorns.

 

[Mynight]

Well this line of discussion clearly won't go well .

Dailyfail are whipping up a storm again reporting how the health department issued a warning to all GPs and A&Es.

My favourite quote is;

The 40-year-old changed plane in Togo and was vomiting on board, prompting fears the disease could have already spread to a fifth of the country.

Ridiculous, Sierra Leone has a population of ~6.3million. 1200 cases across Africa is a huge way away from 1.26 million.


And;

Health chiefs have urged British doctors to be on alert for signs of the world's deadliest disease as the Ebola virus rampages through West Africa, sparking fears it could travel to the UK.

Maybe I'm being a bit of a dick but 1200 cases doesn't sound like a rampage to me. Obviously they're only the confirmed ones but still.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...pped-cope-sudden-outbreak-deadly-disease.html

Just popped up in my news feed felt compelled to read it.

 

[Xordium]

I wanted to see if anyone would actually ask me my opinion, seeing as i never stated one.

Sorry I don't find that believable. But for the sake of not continuing this I will take you at your word and presume all your posts are just a news feed from the more disreputable sources.

What is your opinion then?

I knew you had it in you.

I may have many faults but I do not stick blindly to positions that I find to be untrue. If I find myself to be wrong I will state that. If I find something to challenge my opinions or theories I will take that on. I have done this time and time again on these forums and in life. However, in your case I do not believe I am wrong but I have no way of proving that so I am being polite. There is a big difference.

I don't actually care if I am correct I really care that we determine what is correct. This is pertinent in the case of this particular outbreak because there is some new research which is making me challenge my opinion on the severity of this particular strain. I am undecided and I doubt the media had access to this before starting their usual omg ebola campaign.