As Uther says, imagine every house doing the same in that street. There would be a cable cover every couple of metres. Not a go-er once more people start doing that.
Electric cars for people with no driveways
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Soldato
Another total nonsense post based on no knowledge.
As above, cables lock into the car - across the board I believe - and into some chargers, depending on the make and model, if the cable isn't tethered. It's therefore impossible to steal a cable and possibly impossible to unplug either end. And yes, idiots going to idiot. Someone tried to set my dad's car on fire when I was a kid and people key cars all the time. So what... don't own a car?
I run Sentry Mode which is a 360 dash cam when charging and I also have an outdoor security camera and motion light, mainly for safety, but also to deter said idiots.
The electrical safety for EV chargers are the most stringent I've seen due to being 7kW, and at the moment they have to have an earth rod and a dedicated RCD. I assume to make the chance of electrocution almost zero, if not zero.
By the car. They're unlocked from inside the car or via the app or similar, depending on what car you've got. At the charger end they're locked if they're in a state of charging, so again controlled from the car's end.
Caporegime
Not to mention that if the cable starts to deteriorate, data communication between the charger and car will become interrupted and the power will be cut anyway. I believe that the data comms are the outer wires in the cable, so any damage would sever those first.
Your doing it completely wrongWhy is that? I understand people's hesitations - somewhat - but a large part of it is blame culture. What I have as a setup is no more dangerous than the 'drop' kerbs at the end of my road; if anything it's more visible and less of a step.
The problem is council's don't actively allow it (for fear of blame), nor are there any off-the-shelf insurances. If I was working at my local authority and there wasn't too much red tape, I would have on-street charging permits, which for a yearly fee provides insurance cover providing the user adheres to certain criteria including using approved cable covers that span the entire width of the pavement.
A more costly and time consuming solution is for shallow channels to be dug across the pavement which some other councils have done, but really unless it's done for every house on a street then it'd be cost-prohibitive.
You meant to park the car on the pavement against the wall with the charging port lined up with the gate way...
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The bottom line is that the pavement doesn't belong to you, its public space and obstructing it with cables isn't a long term solution. I would be amazed if councils didn't rightfully start clamping down on this if it becomes more widespread.
In much the same way that no matter how much you want one you can't really have a pet horse unless you have a field, is EV really possible if you don't have anywhere to keep your car and charging infrastructure?
Interestingly, as one of the more local councils to me, Hampshire pretty much give this solution their stamp of approval.
https://www.hants.gov.uk/transport/ev-charging-points/ev-charging-guidance
Soldato
Absolutely, I've acknowledged it's not a long-term solution, hence why I've already written to the mayor of Bristol to get the ball rolling.
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Like I said, where there's a will there's a way. Most people just don't have the will.
Soldato
Boom! I have written to my MP about this issue, and already arranged the installation of a public charger as well (via Polar), not for me, but for my area and to benefit other who don't have access to off-street parking, while others complaining about it have done naff all to help themselves. I am in the process of getting a large solar install completed on a local primary school that they had dismissed as "too much hassle and expense" however it is now going to cost them almost nothing over 6 years, and will actually generate income over the peak summer period when they are shut. Once finalised we'll be tackling on-site chargers for the staff as well, which will help too.
Far too many people complain, and do sweet FA about it.
I must admit I'm surprised but as you say, Hampshire would seem to be fine with it.
I personally wouldn't be comfortable with it as a solution as it relies on you having access to a specific position on a public road but I guess if coming home and not being able to charge that night isn't an issue to you maybe it is more viable than I first imagined.
Man of Honour
Is there any agency in the idea of suspending the wires, rather than running them across a pavement?
Using @Russinating's picture as an example, I'm thinking a simple pylon that can be mounted to the gatepost that can swing out over the pavement, holding the cable aloft to the kerbside, where it can drop down to the charging point of the car.
When not in use, it can be folded back on itself by the gatepost - perhaps even telescopic to an extent so it can be hidden away.
If pedestrian access is the issue, is that not a better solution? Much uglier I guess, but more practical from an access perspective? It might also make reaching the charging socket on the car easier if it's not parked directly outside the house.
Using @Russinating's picture as an example, I'm thinking a simple pylon that can be mounted to the gatepost that can swing out over the pavement, holding the cable aloft to the kerbside, where it can drop down to the charging point of the car.
When not in use, it can be folded back on itself by the gatepost - perhaps even telescopic to an extent so it can be hidden away.
If pedestrian access is the issue, is that not a better solution? Much uglier I guess, but more practical from an access perspective? It might also make reaching the charging socket on the car easier if it's not parked directly outside the house.
WOW i never expected they would allow something like this
Going be great when you get lots of long lines of cars down multi pavements all being charged like this
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Still quite hard to get a wheelchair over one though, especially uphill like that lol. It's still a trip hazard at night and if someone comes belting down there on a bike they will break their neck.
To be safe it would need to be a very long ramp with a duct under it.
To be safe it would need to be a very long ramp with a duct under it.
Soldato
That's an interesting idea actually. Something like being able to apply to the council to have a EV charging pylon installed where you can run your suspended cable to.
Sounds sensible to me, so long as you can park there of course, but could maybe throw in a painted allocated space along with it.
Caporegime
They shouldn't be on the pavement anyway.
Also, just lol. No way in hell a 1.5" incline is going to cause a biker to come off. Potholes are bigger than that.
Soldato
As far as I'm aware, none of the current chargers are that efficient either (happy to be shown otherwise!)
The car or the cat?
Don’t forget the wireless aspect is just part of the existing system that gets replaced. In this case a short copper cable...
Soldato
I don’t need to read it to know NMC (and not even 811) isn’t LFP and nor is graphite present in 21700 cells Tesla use.
Imagine if the same kids stab the tyres or older ones steal the catalyst. You still ain’t getting to work.
Soldato
Nasher logic would dictate that the charging cable cover would also jump up wielding a knife, and threaten you and your family if you rode near it again, then it would proceed to follow you home and burn down your house while you slept, 'cause EV's are evil and anything to do with them is dangerous and idiotic.
Soldato
I'd be more worried about your friendly local travelling community going along the streets and cutting the cables with croppers. You know, like they never do with railway cabling because they are in no way a pack of thieving, feral ***** who seem to be above the law.
Man of Honour
I don't think so.
If a bicycle hit that at speed it would go "thud thud" and that's about it.