Electric cars for people with no driveways

[Russinating]

While not an expert on the topic, and still to be convinced that an EV at this moment would be right for me, my understanding is that what you stated is far from optimal. I believe the advice from Tesla for example is to ABC when not in use (always be charging). While of course that's not always possible, you'd want to connect it each night at least and then leave it charging/maintaining overnight. In hot climates I think this also allows the battery pack to be cooled.
Running around in a tesla for a few weeks, depleting the battery to lets say 20% before charging again probably causes a higher level of battery degradation.

Based on the above being correct, I'd not buy one unless I can charge at least overnight, if not during the day too when at home.
Some areas of the USA they're struggling to access the fast(super chargers) during busy times apparently. So, if you can't charge at home and if/when EV's get more popular you could end up queuing up at charge points if the public charging infrastructure can't keep up with increasing demand.

Yeah the recommendation is ABC, but only for absolute optimal. The degradation is much less than people think and there's some pretty good test cases out there with Tesla hire cars that have done 350,000 miles etc (and one battery change, iirc). Leaving my M3 for a week on holiday and it uses 0%.

Not charging every day is far less damaging I'm sure than charging up to 100% and running it down low. And all of this is fairly new technology. God knows what you had to do to an ICE engine in the early days to keep it running. Even my mum's classic Mini needs lead supplement.

Supply meets demand so lack of supply is a weak reasoning imo.

 

[[TW]Fox]

God knows what you had to do to an ICE engine in the early days to keep it running.

Early days? Ev is not in its early days - the BEV predates the internal combustion engine!

 

[jpaul]

While not an expert on the topic, and still to be convinced that an EV at this moment would be right for me, my understanding is that what you stated is far from optimal. I believe the advice from Tesla for example is to ABC when not in use (always be charging). While of course that's not always possible, you'd want to connect it each night at least and then leave it charging/maintaining overnight. In hot climates I think this also allows the battery pack to be cooled.
Running around in a tesla for a few weeks, depleting the battery to lets say 20% before charging again probably causes a higher level of battery degradation.

yep - as commented, even if you do 0-100% charging you won't be significantly disadvantaged in 8000 fec charges - see results/analysis
Capacity Recovery Effect in Commercial LiFePO4 / Graphite Cells

 

[Jonnycoupe]

yep - as commented, even if you do 0-100% charging you won't be significantly disadvantaged in 8000 fec charges - see results/analysis
Capacity Recovery Effect in Commercial LiFePO4 / Graphite Cells

but that’s not a Tesla battery...
It’s mad they let people chose to brim the battery but they have that flexibility by having a part in making the packs and clearly the PR of the big range is with it. Cells from OEM suppliers have far stricter demands and hence control to ensure the warranty period is honoured unlike what Billy Bob in LA wants to do.

 

[jamoor]

Early days? Ev is not in its early days - the BEV predates the internal combustion engine!

It hasn’t been developed and commercialised much until recently though

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Lol councils are skint and can barely do the basics. Where are they going to get the cash to install a massive charging network for EVs?

Government schemes.

Next.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Wrong. As usual.

https://insideevs.com/news/340478/120-kw-wireless-charging-proves-97-efficient/

Are you going for some kind of record here where every single one of your posts about EVs is full of misinformation? I still haven't been able to figure out whether you're so indoctrinated against them that you refuse to believe anything but the most negative of information, or you have some kind of agenda and are outright lying.

I wouldn't normally mind, but the problem is that there are people out there who don't know any better who might actually believe some of the drivel you spout.

Carefully context is everything. 97% is very inefficient when compared to something that does the same job at 99.5%.

What is the problem of the huge EM field it generates? Post some sources or keep your ill-informed opinions to yourself.

A cat sleeping under that car for you to wake up and find it’s not charged is one...

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Why is that? I understand people's hesitations - somewhat - but a large part of it is blame culture. What I have as a setup is no more dangerous than the 'drop' kerbs at the end of my road; if anything it's more visible and less of a step.

The problem is council's don't actively allow it (for fear of blame), nor are there any off-the-shelf insurances. If I was working at my local authority and there wasn't too much red tape, I would have on-street charging permits, which for a yearly fee provides insurance cover providing the user adheres to certain criteria including using approved cable covers that span the entire width of the pavement.

A more costly and time consuming solution is for shallow channels to be dug across the pavement which some other councils have done, but really unless it's done for every house on a street then it'd be cost-prohibitive.

Someone round the corner from me has one of these to plug their camper in that doesn’t fit in the drive. Seems perfectly reasonable set up IMO and should be encouraged.

If those cable covers are fine for use in commercial applications and in in public places like street markets and festivals they should be fine to use on a pavement assuming they are placed appropriately and cover the full width of the pavement. It can’t be one rule for one and not another.

As you say, blame culture, buy legal protection insurance.

 

[Malevolence]

Speaking as someone who lives in a mid-terrace with on-street parking and who can't remember the last time I parked outside my own house (currently parked half way down the next street) EVs are just not in my future, even though I'd love to make the switch. Oh, and there are no charge points within a mile of my house either, despite living in a city and not the sticks. Hell, I can't even get access to fibre internet so charging for an EV is a pipe dream.

 

[jpaul]

but that’s not a Tesla battery...
It’s mad they let people chose to brim the battery but they have that flexibility by having a part in making the packs and clearly the PR of the big range is with it. Cells from OEM suppliers have far stricter demands and hence control to ensure the warranty period is honoured unlike what Billy Bob in LA wants to do.

same technology ... and, its not disparaging if you actually read it. - be guided by the science Luke Boris

 

[Haggisman]

Carefully context is everything. 97% is very inefficient when compared to something that does the same job at 99.5%.

As far as I'm aware, none of the current chargers are that efficient either (happy to be shown otherwise!)

A cat sleeping under that car for you to wake up and find it’s not charged is one...

The car or the cat?

Yes, potentially a problem if it's that easily blocked, however my point was more in response to Nasher's claim that the "huge EM field" would be dangerous

 

[[TW]Fox]

Why is that? I understand people's hesitations - somewhat - but a large part of it is blame culture. What I have as a setup is no more dangerous than the 'drop' kerbs at the end of my road; if anything it's more visible and less of a step.

The problem is council's don't actively allow it (for fear of blame), nor are there any off-the-shelf insurances. If I was working at my local authority and there wasn't too much red tape, I would have on-street charging permits, which for a yearly fee provides insurance cover providing the user adheres to certain criteria including using approved cable covers that span the entire width of the pavement.

A more costly and time consuming solution is for shallow channels to be dug across the pavement which some other councils have done, but really unless it's done for every house on a street then it'd be cost-prohibitive.

Be honest, do you really think that's acceptable?

What happens if someone with a wheelchair comes down that pavement? I'm sure they'd manage but is it really fair to inconvenience them?

 

[Uther]

Someone round the corner from me has one of these to plug their camper in that doesn’t fit in the drive. Seems perfectly reasonable set up IMO and should be encouraged.

If those cable covers are fine for use in commercial applications and in in public places like street markets and festivals they should be fine to use on a pavement assuming they are placed appropriately and cover the full width of the pavement. It can’t be one rule for one and not another.

As you say, blame culture, buy legal protection insurance.

Now imagine that cable coming from every house on that street, and you in a wheelchair.

 

[Russinating]

Be honest, do you really think that's acceptable?

What happens if someone with a wheelchair comes down that pavement? I'm sure they'd manage but is it really fair to inconvenience them?

Absolutely. I wouldn't use it if I didn't think so. It's really not high or steep at all: https://www.theworkplacedepot.co.uk/1-channel-cable-protector. If a wheelchair user complained it'd simply be to kick up a fuss; the drop kerbs at either end of my road (and the non-drop kerbs for an alleyway) are taller and steeper. I can see and understand how it would be annoying and uncomfortable if every home had one and they were out all the time, but they're not and wouldn't be. Because of the Agile electricity rates I only charge overnight and I don't see many wheelchair users popping to the shops between 11pm and 6am.

Funnily enough I've just gone to Streetview to find a photo of the above and and it's like a spot what's wrong for accessible access, complete with befuddled wheelchair user (also makes my road look **** because there's once crummy restaurant that leave all their rubbish and old appliances out). Even assuming a clear pavement, there literally isn't a drop kerb either side of the alleyway.

 

[Russinating]

Now imagine that cable coming from every house on that street, and you in a wheelchair.

See above. There would never be an occasion where every house is charging at the same time during daylight hours. It's just another unfounded reason/fake scenario that goes against EV.

Notwithstanding this is temporary. If every household had an EV then there would be the collective demand and finance for something more permanent, like covered channels.

 

[The Running Man]

Now imagine that cable coming from every house on that street, and you in a wheelchair.

Now imagine some annoying kids going run unplugging everyines car bevause they know it will be dang funny I in the morning when no one car go to work.

Its just insanely impractical.

One person gets an electric shock due to a corroded cable and there will be hell to pay and all kinds of liability claims going around.

 

[paradigm]

Now imagine some annoying kids going run unplugging everyines car bevause they know it will be dang funny I in the morning when no one car go to work.

Its just insanely impractical.

It's just insanely impossible.

Both ends of the cable lock to the charger/car.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Early days? Ev is not in its early days - the BEV predates the internal combustion engine!

Thats a bit unfair, as far as the mass commercialisation is concerned its actually only just entering the early adoption phase.

The early days were much like the VHS/betamax days where the struggle happened and the worse technology won.
And just like VHS the ICE cars improved a lot over the years, whilst the Betamax just like the BEV faded away with declining ability to compete.
Unlike the home recording area where technology leapt to the next thing (HDD based recorders) the car is currently the end state solution, just the mechanism for delivering the power is changing.

With sales rising quickly, manufacturers starting to take notice the improvements will likely come quickly.
If the BEV improvements come anywhere near as significantly as the ICE ones did then we will see BEV slaughter ICE within a generation.
I dont think they will, I thinkw e will see improvments but not world changing

 

[Journey]

People are just missing the obvious, where there is a gap in the market to make money, someone will come along and make that money.

Private enterprises are already doing deals with councils to install posts that rise out of the ground, kerbside charging points, and as mentioned lampposts with more than one socket connected to a user account per car.

People go on about it like we are trying to land on the moon for the first time again and we aren't, the majority of the issue will be red-tape, the rest of the local cabling is in place already and it only requires the bit at the end of that to be installed. There are literally billions of pounds going to be made from companies providing these solutions and if you don't want to move or put a sensibly laid cable across the path, then you'll just have to wait. It is going to be just like FTTC/FTTP, or ADSL allover again, people whinging and moaning they don't have access to this new technology a few years after they complained that EV's were pointless waste of money and they'd never own one in a month of Sunday's.

 

[chaparral]

It's just insanely impossible.

Both ends of the cable lock to the charger/car.

Are they locked by using a key or something ?

I Looked at pictures on google and couldn't see any locks on the plugs